If you're anti-immigrant, you're directly suporting white supremacy

[James Gordon]

Don't give a gat damn bout no immigrantsthey situation aint nothin to do wit black folk

plus they got land to go back to

 

[Elle Driver]

does it matter what type of "illegal" there are? like washed ashore vs. overstayed a student visa to you? many of those people are also running from some type of persecution.

Refugees running from Syria and illegal immigrants who've overstayed visas for 30 years aren't the same.

 

[BigMan]

Refugees running from Syria and illegal immigrants who've overstayed visas for 30 years aren't the same.

what about the Salvadoran escaping the violence in Central America or the Haitian whose deportation was delayed due to the earthquake but is now living in fear of deportation?

 

[Elle Driver]

what about the Salvadoran escaping the violence in Central America or the Haitian whose deportation was delayed due to the earthquake but is now living in fear of deportation?

They are refugees (like Venezuelans, Hondurans, etc).They probably want to apply for asylum to stay here or TPS for Haitians. They are not the same as someone who's been residing here illegally for decades.

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

They are refugees (like Venezuelans, Hondurans, etc).They probably want to apply for asylum to stay here or TPS for Haitians. They are not the same as someone who's been residing here illegally for decades.

Why not? You make it sound more nefarious than it actually is. Similar to how them cac parents are when it comes to Weed.

 

[Zak Bible]

Yes black people need jobs, I would be a bootlicking ass c00n like @David_TheMan for denying such a thing.

So if we're not going to rid ourselves of capitalism, then we need to abide or play by the system.

If we are, then silence any and all or critiques of the bougie, talented tenth Negroes you claim to despise (out of envy let's keep it 100) and or tear down people who use the means of capitalism to get to where they are.

If everyone can't be a their own boss, work in a start up, or live out their dreams keep it one hundred with them and tell them that this system is only meant to benefit the few not the many.

If you bucking against bougie values fine, but you look silly and come off suspect stating that black people need to take any old job they get, but criticize them when they want to make 15/20$ an hr or call them wasteful because they wanna spend their funds on a few luxuries.

This country and the cacs who run shyt want cheap labor, whether it's Jefe, Mohammed or Deonte, everything else takes the back seat, if that.

Stop giving free passes to Goldman Sachs and Leeman Brothers and house flippers for destroying the economy yet want to chastise people on Section 8 and Welfare.

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Hold up,

I'm tellin Tariq

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

OP is one of them negros that come in on some "fukk the crackers, it's just us" shyt to get your guard and then turn into a "kubaya,we-are-the-world" type nikka any time you say anything remotely problack.

You didn't address not a thing I said so. There's nothing "kumbaya" about actually discussing detailing that I'm not on board with directly/privately approving the goings on with white supremacist system just because some brothers and sisters might get a 10/hr job out of the deal. That's cac shyt.

Repped

She got bars

She's only focused one aspect dare I say narrative. The fact she calls Christopher Columbus an immigrant and not a colonizer is very telling.

 

[Shoog Shatmi]

It's not a matter of it being a benefit when the reasoning behind it strictly for cheap labor at the expense of Black and Cac citizens.

Huh? Try explaining this again. Thanks.

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

Huh? Try explaining this again. Thanks.

If we got rid of Immigrants; companies that hire them would HAVE to spend money/increase wages, think of benefits, have to provide health care (if you're really lucky) and on top of that have to deal with the possibility of lawsuits, bad publicity etc. because that's what happens when you mainly employ American citizens

There's less risk when you deal with someone who's not here legally. Long as you pay them under the table they'll do what you want with them.

Hurt on the job? Them companies who hire illegals don't have to worry about paying shyt

Why else you think companies like Verizon, Microsoft, Apple and Nike outsource their labor to India and China? Try getting away with paying somebody $2 a day sewing together Nikes in the US and see what happens.

 

[Shoog Shatmi]

If we got rid of Immigrants; companies that hire them would HAVE to spend money/increase wages, think of benefits, have to provide health care (if you're really lucky) and on top of that have to deal with the possibility of lawsuits, bad publicity etc. because that's what happens when you mainly employ American citizens

There's less risk when you deal with someone who's not here legally. Long as you pay them under the table they'll do what you want with them.

Hurt on the job? Them companies who hire illegals don't have to worry about paying shyt

Why else you think companies like Verizon, Microsoft, Apple and Nike outsource their labor to India and China? Try getting away with paying somebody $2 a day sewing together Nikes in the US and see what happens.

OK. But what about the part where this is bad for (US) black workers? Do you agree or disagree?

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

OK. But what about the part where this is bad for (US) black workers? Do you agree or disagree?

It's bad from a systemic point in general because America has done the same thing with cacs only back then they used black worker hirings to break up union strikes. Because they could pay us less than the white workers who demanded changes in the work place

From the very beginning, the Brotherhood organized both black and white workers, a radical move in the post-Reconstruction South marked by racist terror. This went a long way towards defusing company attempts to split workers down race lines, including replacing fired union leaders with black scab labor – despite grinding poverty, black workers largely refused to cross the picket line.

At first white and black workers were organized into segregated “lodges” (multi-racial meetings being, of course, illegal). But at its May 1912 convention, the Brotherhood formally affiliated with the IWW, a move which pushed them further in the direction of racial justice. When legendary Big Bill Haywood found out that black workers were meeting in a separate meeting for the 1912 gathering, he declared:

“You work in the same mills together. Sometimes a black man and a white man chop down the same tree together. You are meeting in convention now to discuss the conditions under which you labor. This can’t be done intelligently by passing resolutions here and then sending them out to another room for the black man to act upon. Why not be sensible about this and call the Negroes into this convention? If it is against the law, this is one times when the law should be broken.”

The union followed Haywood’s advice, nominating a multi-racial slate of delegates to the IWW national convention in Chicago.

The Historic Tale of the Brotherhood of Timber Workers


“Organized Labor and the Black Worker in America, 1619-1981” by Philip Foner: Book Review

This ain't about buddying up with cacs or no silly shyt like that, but this is to explain to ya'll that these jobs, your bosses/manager are trying to make as much money they can and paying you and yours as little as they legally can, and with the help of government even resort to illegal practices like hiring illegals

 

[Shoog Shatmi]

It's bad from a systemic point in general because America has done the same thing with cacs only back then they used black worker hirings to break up union strikes. Because they could pay us less than the white workers who demanded changes in the work place

The way I look at is that blacks replacing white workers was good for blacks. And blacks being replaced by immigrants is bad for blacks.

This ain't about buddying up with cacs or no silly shyt like that, but this is to explain to ya'll that these jobs, your bosses/manager are trying to make as much money they can and paying you and yours as little as they legally can, and with the help of government even resort to illegal practices like hiring illegals

Ok, so if immigration is being used to undermine black workers, then why again shouldn't blacks be against it?

 

[Remote]

Well to be fair, the alleged issue is illegal immigration.


But with all the ranting that goes on the coli about undocumented workers suppressing wages and shyt, very little ranting goes on about the pass they give the white employers who hire these workers.

But keep cookin.

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

The way I look at is that blacks replacing white workers was good for blacks. And blacks being replaced by immigrants is bad for blacks.






Ok, so if immigration is being used to undermine black workers, then why again shouldn't blacks be against it?

Because those jobs aren't looking to hire us in the first place. If they were they cool, issue is that we see in the US media is the lack of a livable wage or benefits that would improve the conditions of black workers.

This goes back to my critique of the understanding of class consciousness; that essentially speaking, they feel that we should be happy with fast food, back breaking labor and have to "get it" whether that be hustling or working our way up..the same thing they use to chastise liberal/bougie black folk for espousing

Well to be fair, the alleged issue is illegal immigration.


But with all the ranting that goes on the coli about undocumented workers suppressing wages and shyt, very little ranting goes on about the pass they give the white employers who hire these workers.

But keep cookin.

Well that's because they feel and envy how white people exploit the system in that manner; never-mind the fact our own government is complicit in these crises via the generational desire for cheap labor and our abhorrent foreign policy that has left the global south ravaged of any sense of stability.

They hate white supremacy, but find themselves in ecstasy over the free market.


The idea that white people determine the whole dichotomy of declaring humans being legal/illegal is arbitrary. It is not a law based on any sense of actual morality but only highlighted when it's time to get elected is telling point of their own ideological (lacking) intregrity.

 

[Shoog Shatmi]

Because those jobs aren't looking to hire us in the first place.

I disagree. But even if true, without massive immigration, they might have to whether they want to or not.

If they were they cool, issue is that we see in the US media is the lack of a livable wage or benefits that would improve the conditions of black workers.

Again, how does importing tons of cheap labor improve the conditions of native black workers or help bring about liveable wages? If anything, restricting immigration, shrinking the labor pool and increasing the demand for native labor will bring those goals closer to reality.