If you condense ‘Reasonable Doubt’ down to an ‘Illmatic’ size track list … what tracks would you take off and would it be better than Illmatic?

[Art Barr]

This is an observation worthy of discussion

Maybe someday you bless is Coli brehs with some more Art Barr songs. If anyone could convey the history of Hip-Hop on a track without falling into the preachy teacher pitfalls that plague other conscientious rappers, it would be you


Thank you for your passion and contributions Art Barr

Preciate it handshake.


You guys and this community are a part of my real underground home away from home.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

I don't think taking tracks from Reasonable doubt would elevate it to the level Illmatic is and Reasonable Doubt is still a classic album in it's own right.

Reasonable doubt is taboo.
in a naivette,...damn this poison is good way.
Although taking this poison.
No matter how good

the current effects, to the experience, feel or sound.

will result in our cultural depth's death.


Art Barr

 

[Whips-n-Chains]

Just ran RD front to back at the gym today. Cashmere Thoughts is the weakest song, after Aint No nikka

 

[DANJ!]

Nas was bigger in 94 than Big and Pac

Illmatic sold more 1st week
Biggie didn't blow until he hopped on remixes

More revisionist history

Man if you don't stop with the lies...

Biggie blew from when Juicy dropped, and then the album released and MFs went crazy over it, then Big Poppa as the follow-up took it past platinum... this is by the end of '94. That hysteria going on did not happen for Nas' singles.

And to me, depending on the day, Illmatic and RTD are #1a and #1b for '94. I give Illmatic the edge but let's not just start makin' up shyt about Nas' popularity that year. Pac was bigger than Nas without an album that year. Snoop was bigger than all of 'em.

 

[chopchop702]

Hell they’re in here dissing Coming of Age, that’s one of my favorite songs off the album

Thank you! I seen like three posts in this thread saying they would take that song off. Had me like

 

[Surreal]

Man if you don't stop with the lies...

Biggie blew from when Juicy dropped, and then the album released and MFs went crazy over it, then Big Poppa as the follow-up took it past platinum... this is by the end of '94. That hysteria going on did not happen for Nas' singles.

And to me, depending on the day, Illmatic and RTD are #1a and #1b for '94. I give Illmatic the edge but let's not just start makin' up shyt about Nas' popularity that year. Pac was bigger than Nas without an album that year. Snoop was bigger than all of 'em.

Illmatic sold more first week

RTD went plat after Biggie died

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Illmatic sold more first week

RTD went plat after Biggie died

What the fukk are you talking about???

Y'all say ANYTHING on here

Ready To Die went platinum in march '95. It was Double platinum by October 1995.

Gold & Platinum - RIAA

www.riaa.com

You are not qualified for this conversation. Stop wasting our time.

"Me and my 10 homies didn't fukk with 2Pac therefor this artist with a gold album two Billboard top 10 hits and major movie roles was not a bigger star than a New York rapper that didn't even go gold that year"

fukk outta here

 

[Mike Wins]

Conversation not even worth having. There's levels to this shyt. Even though Hov the more popular artist and media darling between him and Nas, and even though he get every benefit of the doubt from casuals and music media, nobody but the biggest Hovengers gonna say RD on the level of Illmatic

Better album to compare RD far as era, aesthetic and subject matter is IWW. I don't think Hov stans really want to go there though. Especially if we taking the top 9 tracks

 

[Trace]

That's what I'm saying in another post too. 1996 sound compared to 1994 is VASTLY different.

if anything RD and IWW should be compared.

2 years in the 90s, sonically, the way Hip Hop was evolving, is like 12 years in current day.

Compare Ready To Die (which had a more refined sound for a 1994 album) to RD, and RTD still sounds so much more dated.

Would make the most sense seeing as they were released literally a week apart.

 

[DANJ!]

Illmatic sold more first week

RTD went plat after Biggie died

RTD went plat in early '95, stop the bullshyt

 

[Awesome Wells]

Just ran RD front to back at the gym today. Cashmere Thoughts is the weakest song, after Aint No nikka

"Cashmere Thoughts" is actually the only track on the album I always hated, lol.

What's wild, is that The Source gave him "Quotable of the Month" for his first verse on there, in '96. The underground radio shows at the time used to play that sh*t all the time too. I could never get with that track. Another wack Clark Kent beat.

 

[Whips-n-Chains]

"Cashmere Thoughts" is actually the only track on the album I always hated, lol.

What's wild, is that The Source gave him "Quotable of the Month" for his first verse on there, in '96. The underground radio shows at the time used to play that sh*t all the time too. I could never get with that track. Another wack Clark Kent beat.

Beat is corny. Song is meh. At least Ain’t No has a solid beat

 

[FunkDoc1112]

"Cashmere Thoughts" is actually the only track on the album I always hated, lol.

What's wild, is that The Source gave him "Quotable of the Month" for his first verse on there, in '96. The underground radio shows at the time used to play that sh*t all the time too. I could never get with that track. Another wack Clark Kent beat.

Clark Kent gotta be even lazier than Puff when it comes to producing.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Beat is corny. Song is meh. At least Ain’t No has a solid beat

Word. Beat is lazy AF.

Even back then, I thought it was mad corny.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Clark Kent gotta be even lazier than Puff when it comes to producing.

LMAO! I just posted that.

He'll literally just take a loop and throw a bullsh*t break under it and call himself a producer. I'm not sure I've ever liked a Clark Kent beat. He's gotten over for years because he's made friends with certain people. They need to tell him the truth, that's he's trash on beats.