If Walmart Paid Its Employees a Living Wage, How Much Would Prices Go Up?

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Wait a sec...I thought Walmart would go broke or have to massively raise their prices if they wanted to pay their workers more? :dahell:

I mean, clearly they'd go out of business and be unable to compete, right? And their products would be unaffordable? Right? Right?
 
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Didn't watch the video yet, but prices shouldn't go up at all if Wal-Mart raised their wages simply because Wal-Mart wouldn't be raising the prices of any commodities or natural resource at it's core. Meaning that since inflation is more of a monetary phenomenon than anything else, there's no reason for prices to rise in any macro sense. If prices did rise it would be because Wal-Mart purposely did so.

What people are demanding is that Wal-Mart raise wages at the expense of their profits, without transferring ANY of the costs. They want Wal-Mart to lose money so they can have it. . . And I support them in that effort.
 

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Wait a sec...I thought Walmart would go broke or have to massively raise their prices if they wanted to pay their workers more? :dahell:

I mean, clearly they'd go out of business and be unable to compete, right? And their products would be affordable? Right? Right?

Good thread. I was going to post the article up earlier this week. Basically, as always, WalMart is full of shyt. This is for those that don't like to watch videos:

Walmart is the single biggest beneficiary of food stamps in the U.S., as its unbeatable prices help struggling families make ends meet. But Walmart's cost-cutting measures negatively impact one group in particular: its workers. Low wages, inadequate benefits and poor work environments have made Walmart the center of ongoing national criticism. But can Walmart improve conditions for its employees without hiking up its much-welcomed low prices?

According to economists: yes. Most of Walmart's staggering profits — $17 billion in 2013, and $13 billion from food stamps alone — are spent on expanding the company and consolidating its ownership. At the same time, it pays so little that it has become the company with the most employees on food stamps. The reality is all too clear: while Walmart makes billions providing rock-bottom prices to low-income families, it does little to help out its own workers.

Let's look at the facts. So Walmart likes its insane profit margins. How about we let the company keep its money, and instead defer the cost of wage increase to customers?

As Slate found out in its recent investigation, raising employees' wages would have very little effect on Walmart's prices.

According to Slate's calculations, the average Walmart cashier is only paid $8.81 hour. The low wages have led a sizable chunk of Walmart employees to depend on food stamps — about 40 employees per store.

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Food stamps are highly profitable for Walmart: it received around 18% of the $76 billion in food stamps that the government gave out last year.

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Around $300 million of that $76 billion goes to Walmart employees, many of whom happen to shop at — you guessed it — Walmart.

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So how much would that average Walmart cashier need to paid in order to not qualify for food stamps? Slate says Walmart would need to push up wages to $13.63.

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If Walmart made this wage hike for all its employees at Walmart and Sam's Club, it would be pretty pricey:

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But again, since Walmart doesn't want to pay that cost, it would be deferred to the consumers — leading to a 1.4% hike in prices.

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That means that a box of macaroni and cheese would go from this:

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To this:

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That's right — a whopping one cent increase.

This just makes sense. With just a 1.4% hike in goods across the board, Walmart would be able to ensure a better quality of life for its employees.

But the benefits wouldn't just be limited to Walmart workers. If all Walmart workers got paid enough to not rely on food stamps, that would save the government $300,000,000. The same goes for Medicaid as well. A single Walmart supercenter with 300 employees is estimated to cost taxpayers more than $900,000 every year in public health care. That cost would diminish if the company offered better plans, or if workers earned enough to afford good private plans.

Better wage and conditions also mean Walmart stores won't have to hold canned food drives to feed their own employees.

What will happen next? Aside from wages and benefits, Walmart still has a slew of problems it needs to fix in order to improve working conditions for its workers. Its policy of locking employees in during night shifts and denying emergency care to injured workers is certainly something they can get rid of.

But as the government slashes food stamp programs, a wage hike is more pressing than ever. Walmart has been ambivalent about the federal push for minimum wage increase, but its billionaire owners can certainly make it happen.
 

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Didn't watch the video yet, but prices shouldn't go up at all if Wal-Mart raised their wages simply because Wal-Mart wouldn't be raising the prices of any commodities or natural resource at it's core. Meaning that since inflation is more of a monetary phenomenon than anything else, there's no reason for prices to rise in any macro sense. If prices did rise it would be because Wal-Mart purposely did so.

What people are demanding is that Wal-Mart raise wages at the expense of their profits, without transferring ANY of the costs. They want Wal-Mart to lose money so they can have it. . . And I support them in that effort.

:beli: at coming in and spouting an opinion without even watching the video. Whether or not Walmart should absorb the cost or pass it on is a completely different topic.

The point here is that even if Walmart DID pass the cost off to consumers, the difference in prices (about 1.4%) would be so little that most shoppers wouldn't even notice. The given example is that a 68 cent box of Mac and Cheese would go up to 69 cent. Point being that even if Walmart fully passed the costs off to consumers, it would barely be noticeable. So Walmart doesn't even HAVE to lose money or raise their prices significantly to increase wages.

Basically, in terms of money there's nothing stopping them from raising wages. It's entirely ideological...they basically just don't want to.


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Um... Anyone who has worked retail, could tell that you that cents matter in predicting product movement, and if Walmart had to raise prices it would lose it's edge on it's competitors. As someone who shops are Walmart regularly, I can tell you for sure, that I wouldn't shop there at all if it wasn't for low prices. Walmart is unpleasant place to be. The workers are rude and stupid. The customers are even worse to be around.

I worked at a Unionized Grocery Store in college and I made 22 an hour scanning groceries and putting up stock in the graveyard shift. It made it possible for me to go to college and not incur any debt. But, there is a reason why the unions took concessions year-after-year. Currently, the workers at the Union Stores lost their 1.5 sunday pay (that really helped), they lost their holiday pay, they got their wages cut down to 16 an hour, and they have their benefits reduced. Only 3 Unionized Grocery chains are left now-- Safeway, Lucky and Nob Hill. Albertsons, gone, Alpha Beta, Gone, all the Italian Chains, gone. PW gone. Lucky is shutting down stores left and right, and they are probably next in line.

Nobody shops at the Union Stores because they are too expensive, and the Elite will not set foot in a store that isn't Trader Joes, Whole Foods or New Leaf--these stores are not Unionized and do not pay their workers higher than the remaining unionized stores BTW. Target and Walmart stepped into the Grocery business and wiped-out all the unionized stores.

The consumer doesn't give one crap of an iota about how much the workers are making. The liberal Elite in the Bay Area couldn't give a damn about the Unionize Grocery workers because they don't shop at their stores. They rather shop at Whole Foods where the workers don't have the lush benefits of the Lucky/Safeway and they don't have generous wages.
 

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But Isn't that within their right?

Well, "within their right" is a vague idea, you could say that about anything that's not currently illegal. Doesn't mean that it's a good thing or that things shouldn't change.

So if by "within their right" you mean legal, then sure, they're not doing anything against the law. The question is whether or not it should be. After all, the purpose of laws and rules is to benefit individuals as well as society as a whole. So the question is whether or not such a large organization paying these sorts of wages to its workers is a benefit or detriment to society, and whether the detriment (if there is one) is big enough that something should be done about it. Or whether this practice is unethical.

So saying it's "within their right" isn't addressing the issue of whether things need to change. After all, child labor and grossly unsafe work conditions was once "within their right" for businesses too.
 

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Yes, we all know ambiguity is beyond the comprehension of most Libertarians. :heh:

You'd probably have been arguing against Child Labor laws in the 1900s on some "it's their right, let the free market decide" shyt. :deadrose:
:rudy: Lobby govt. to change the laws you disagree with.
Don't sit around throwing stones at law abiding citizens hoping they will wake up and decide to do with their property as you think they should.

... and I support voluntary child labor.:yeshrug:
 

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:rudy: Lobby govt. to change the laws you disagree with.
I thought you wanted less govt.:usure:
Don't sit around throwing stones at law abiding citizens hoping they will wake up and decide to do with their property as you think they should.

... and I support voluntary child labor.:yeshrug:
Unless we're actually throwing stones, I'd say we're well within our "right" to put public pressure on these corporations to change their business practices:patrice:
 

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:rudy: Lobby govt. to change the laws you disagree with.
Don't sit around throwing stones at law abiding citizens hoping they will wake up and decide to do with their property as you think they should.

... and I support voluntary child labor.:yeshrug:

What's wrong with pressuring businesses to change their practices? Isn't that the free market? Companies getting punished by the public for behaving in ways that people find unethical or undesirable? Self-regulation and all that? Wouldn't that be preferable to getting the government involved unnecessarily? :leostare:

I thought you wanted less govt.:usure:

Unless we're actually throwing stones, I'd say we're well within our "right" to put public pressure on these corporations to change their business practices:patrice:


Exactly...homie seems to only hate the government if he thinks it'll regulate businesses in some way he disagrees with (ie. at all). But as soon as public pressure is used to the same end, all of a sudden it's "Leave those poor law-abiding megacorporations alone :mad: ! If you want to change something then it should be through the government!".

:heh:
 

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Walmart is a beast of a corporation, this is a case where there profit margin is huge. No threat whatsoever of them going out of business.:ld:
 

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great post
they have no shame
they will argue this to the death
knowing full well it is not arguable
 
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