If this were a year ago & Lebron passes up a game winner...

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:heh: at nikkas totally going off topic and making this into breakdown of Haslem's J and a comparison of Ray's jumper to Larry Hughes and others. :comeon: at nikkas tryna make into an issue of who he was passing to. The nikka has taken heat for passing to Wade before. The point is that now that the nikka has a ring many of the same things that were spun into negatives before will be spun into positives.

Yup.....
 

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this sounds like an indirect shot at my nic.ca :childplease:


its tru though:pachaha: i seen kobe mad about not being able to take the last shot even though he won the game. I thnk fisher shot the game winner but this nicca kobe chewed fisher out for not givin him the ball.

This isn't a shot at Kobe but the people that criticized LeBron for hitting open teammates were usually :childplease: fans.

The "I'm going to make sure my best player shoots this last shot no matter what" is a pretty common mentality in sports but it's also one of the lowest percentage plays imaginable. It's all about perception. If a guy like Haslem is wide open from the wing, anything but a make is :snoop: status yet the "closers" in this league are celebrated for hitting their shots 25-30% of the time in that same situation. The Haslem shot is going to go in more often than the hero shot, it just won't be as exciting when it does.
 

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...opting to kick the ball out for his teammate to hit an open three, people would be killing him.

Amazing what one ship and quality teammates suddenly make that pass look like a sound decision......which it always was before the ship & Ray Allen joining the Heat.
Reb you got that NBA fever huh?? On a NFL Sunday at that too.. I ain't mad at ya:myman:
 

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*watches :mjpls: dish it to kerr during game 6 of the nba finals:troll:


Ppl that have been watching the heat years before bron and bosh got there know that haslem is money from that spot.

However, haslem was having a relatively terrible shooting year so it isn't as easy to say if it were the best decision at that time.
Lebron made the right basketball play. But since he was still considered a talented yet bytchmade loser, and robbed the fans/haters of a "jordan/kobe" moment--- he got shytted on



Yes it's generally accepted that winning a ring does wonders.
I think that idea is a bit overrated UNLESS you're a top talent. It's a good way of measuring the careers of similarly talented players against each other (along with the film, accolades, and stats)
 

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No but they'd be the open man because LeBron was at least double-teamed. :yeshrug: And my point stands - I'd rather have an open shot than a shot over a double team.

LeBron passing to an open but either unprepared or mediocre teammate (both of which happened quite a few times) as soon as the double team gets to him isn't a good play, period. Great players can beat double teams. Double teams certainly didn't begin and end with LeBron James. LeBron makes a lot of smart passes at the end of games, but he also has made his share of poor judgments and whether he's double teamed or not they were not the "right" play.

If my team were to lose, I'd rather lose on a good shot than lose on a bad shot.

An open shot from a player who is either a bad shooter or unprepared to shoot is still a bad shot. And I don't believe LeBron can't create a good shot for himself in some of those situations - he has proven he can over, and over, and over. I don't favor the best player shooting when he has people all over him and he's off balance of fading away (see: Kobe and his attendant mythology), but I also don't think every late game pass (especially when it comes before there's even an attempt at creating a shot or when it goes to a wack shooter) to an open man is a good pass.

:heh: at nikkas totally going off topic and making this into breakdown of Haslem's J and a comparison of Ray's jumper to Larry Hughes and others.

True, I went ll the way the fukk off topic, to an entire different universe when I mentioned a late game pass LeBron made to Larry Hughes for a 3, and I have no fukking idea why I brought that up when the topic is actually... Oh, yeah, LeBron and the criticism he has faced for late game passes.

It's pretty damned simple, actually: a pass to an open Ray Allen at any point in any game in any city is universally accepted as an excellent decision. That LeBron was praised for that proves absolutely nothing, nada, zilch, zero about criticism he received in the past, much of which was completely fair and reasonable.

And anyone who was upset with him for passing to Wade - unless contextually it was one of his weir ass passive plays - is probably an idiot. That doesn't mean he doesn't deserve criticism for other decisions. These are very distinctly different instances and I think the comparisons are absolutely shortsighted and intellectually dishonest.
 

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True, I went ll the way the fukk off topic, to an entire different universe when I mentioned a late game pass LeBron made to Larry Hughes for a 3, and I have no fukking idea why I brought that up when the topic is actually... Oh, yeah, LeBron and the criticism he has faced for late game passes.

It's pretty damned simple, actually: a pass to an open Ray Allen at any point in any game in any city is universally accepted as an excellent decision. That LeBron was praised for that proves absolutely nothing, nada, zilch, zero about criticism he received in the past, much of which was completely fair and reasonable.

And anyone who was upset with him for passing to Wade - unless contextually it was one of his weir ass passive plays - is probably an idiot. That doesn't mean he doesn't deserve criticism for other decisions. These are very distinctly different instances and I think the comparisons are absolutely shortsighted and intellectually dishonest.

You are right, it is pretty damned simple. Now that he has a ring certain things that he used to catch heat for he won't anymore. Too act as if people only criticized Bron because of who he was passing too and that his empty fingers wasn't the main factor is intellectually dishonest. You know as well as I do that Bron could've thrown that same pass to Ray Allen last year and still caught shyt for it. You don't hear people talking about poor Cleveland, or D. Wade's coattails, or how distasteful "The Decision" was anymore do you? Certainly not to the same level you heard it the previous two years. As I said two years ago all that shyt will disappear once he wins a ring. The dissection of his late game decisions is no different.
 

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I understand some of y'all nikkas points about who to pass the ball to but if a guy is open and you pass them the ball I dont see that as a bad decision. Isnt Kobe like less than 10% on game winning shots, shooting the ball over 2 or 3 ppl is not effective any way you slice, ppl just want to remember the 5 times a player has made the shot and ignore the 100 times they've missed it.

But I guess you guys are talking about the particular instance when Lebron drove and could have went for a layup or some sort of floater shot?
 
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Nobody woulda criticized him for passing to a wide open Ray Allen... be real :aicmon:

And he wasn't criticized for passing to a wide open DWade, he was criticized for deferring to Wade in the clutch
 

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Nobody woulda criticized him for passing to a wide open Ray Allen... be real :aicmon:

And he wasn't criticized for passing to a wide open DWade, he was criticized for deferring to Wade in the clutch

Which is even dumber, since media types and ignorant fans have always said that LeBron doesn't have the "clutch gene" and that Wade is one of the best clutch players in the league, but then they use the other side of their mouth to criticize LeBron for deferring to him in the clutch.
 
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Which is even dumber, since media types and ignorant fans have always said that LeBron doesn't have the "clutch gene" and that Wade is one of the best clutch players in the league, but then they use the other side of their mouth to criticize LeBron for deferring to him in the clutch.

A lot of the criticism he got was dumb....I do agree with that.
 

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Nobody woulda criticized him for passing to a wide open Ray Allen... be real :aicmon:

And he wasn't criticized for passing to a wide open DWade, he was criticized for deferring to Wade in the clutch

A lot of the criticism he got was dumb....I do agree with that.

This is the point. We can quabble over specifics until we are blue in the face but that is what it comes down to. Pre-rings Bron caught shyt for things Post-rings Bron will not. And I am not so convinced he wouldnt' have caught heat for passing to Ray. If he can catch heat for "defering" to a guy who has been regarded as a better clutch player in Wade then whose to say he wouldn't have caught heat for passing it to Ray. :comeon: at people acting like the shyt he caught was based on logic. :childplease:
 

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Which is even dumber, since media types and ignorant fans have always said that LeBron doesn't have the "clutch gene" and that Wade is one of the best clutch players in the league, but then they use the other side of their mouth to criticize LeBron for deferring to him in the clutch.
lol didn't lebron do that in the all star game?
 
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