If The Border is this big issue.....

[Kiyoshi-Dono]

Bothsiders still blaming Biden in here. Republicans literally say they wn't work with him yet it is still his fault.

The point of this thread was to expose the weakness in regards to blaming Biden. November can't come fast enough.

From a strategic standpoint
Why would the republicans help him
What do they gain
Bipartisanship been dead boy boy
And every leader gets blamed because Americans love to complain with no action
The border crisis is real and a bigger symptom of what’s been killing this country
Money talks bullshyt walks
The government is under the control of lobbyists
The fakkits in office move by their words and constituents that fund their campaigns
That’s the bottom line in all this
And let’s keep it a bean
Any black person fighting this hard for illegal immigration is a clown
We are at the bottom of society
People mock us
Disrespect us straight to our faces
Disenfranchised our enclaves and make them their own communities
But we stay playing Power Rangers for muthafukkas that don’t even like us on a human level
You nikkas play militant and puff your chests out like y’all really that smart
But be ghost as fukk when black people get attacked by immigrants
Especially when they attack our children
Stop the bullshyt boy boy
And say what’s really on your mind

 

[At30wecashout]

This is false. While you only need a simply majority count to pass legislation in the US House, you need 60 votes in the US Senate to pass legislation regardless of which party controls the Senate. The only time you can get away with passing a vote with 51 votes in the Senate is if a bill is passed through budget reconciliation. And only certain things can be passed through that process and it's once a year.

Biden sent a immigration reform to the Congress right after he was sworn in, in 2021 and Republicans wiped their ass with it. If they were serious, they could have negotiated to get some of the shyt they wanted to pass a moderate, bi-partisan reform law.

Fact Sheet: President Biden Sends Immigration Bill to Congress as Part of His Commitment to Modernize our Immigration System | The White House

The U.S. Citizenship Act of 2021 establishes a new system to responsibly manage and secure our border, keep our families and communities safe, and better

www.whitehouse.gov

In 2013, immigration reform that Obama supported actually passed the US Senate with bi-partisan support and went to the House, but the Republican Speaker of the House wouldn't put the bill on the floor for a vote, partly because he was scared of the freedom caucus bigots.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2014/11/06/boehner-refuses-to-act-on-immigration-reform/

During Bush's second term, Senate Republicans voted to block Bush's immigration reform plan because it wasn't conservative enough.

Immigration Bill Fails to Survive Senate Vote (Published 2007)

President Bush’s effort to overhaul the nation’s immigration policy, a cornerstone of his domestic agenda, collapsed in the Senate.

www.nytimes.com

Currently, there is a bi-partisan deal in the Senate on border reforms. Senate Republicans said no to Ukraine Aid unless we do a border deal. Some of the reforms can only happen through an act of Congress. But the Republican Speaker of the House is saying that whatever passes the Senate is DOA in the House. Wanna know why? Trump been telling Republicans to kill it so he can use immigration issue as an election issue against Biden. This pissed off quite a few Senate Republicans who want to solve the issue. At the same time McConnell seems to be calculating the politics and possibly backing down to Trump.

Thank you for dropping facts, but notice these types of posts get very little daps. The reactionary "THEY AINT DO shyt" get dapped to high heaven.
If there was any use for AI right now, it would be to auto-reply to all this bullshyt. Head straight to Congress.gov and then reply to the posts "This is false" and link them. Gotta start letting fools know they are spouting opinions and not facts. Better yet the "Facts as I see them."

 

[At30wecashout]

You’re wrong

Big business supports both parties based on which one is helping their particular industry

I never said they don’t support democrats either

But both parties aren’t touching illegal immigration because big business likes cheap labor

It’s not that hard

Youre wrong actually. This is documented. You think Disney fukks with republicans? You think Apple fukks with republicans? Netflix? Microsoft? You sound insane.

The facts lean harder toward what @Spectre said, but hey lets not argue, you can verify via OpenSecrets.

We gotta start linking facts and let the bullshytters bullshyt, brehs.

 

[Hoodoo Child]

There’s more money and power in creating and prolonging problems than offering solutions.

Case in point student loan forgiveness.

And healthcare

 

[El Bombi]

From a strategic standpoint
Why would the republicans help him
What do they gain
Bipartisanship been dead boy boy
And every leader gets blamed because Americans love to complain with no action
The border crisis is real and a bigger symptom of what’s been killing this country
Money talks bullshyt walks
The government is under the control of lobbyists
The fakkits in office move by their words and constituents that fund their campaigns
That’s the bottom line in all this
And let’s keep it a bean
Any black person fighting this hard for illegal immigration is a clown
We are at the bottom of society
People mock us
Disrespect us straight to our faces
Disenfranchised our enclaves and make them their own communities
But we stay playing Power Rangers for muthafukkas that don’t even like us on a human level
You nikkas play militant and puff your chests out like y’all really that smart
But be ghost as fukk when black people get attacked my immigrants
Especially when they attack our children
Stop the bullshyt boy boy
And say what’s really on your mind

Real shyt

 

[Won Won]

There won’t even be a country to have this debate in if they don’t shut the border down.

 

[Sohh_lifted]

If incoming immigrants were such a big issue for republicans, they would remove the Cuban readjustment Act.

Cuban Adjustment Act - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

But @Absolut and others are hush on this particular issue. Meanwhile Cubans get welfare, section 8, medical assisstance, etc once they arrive to America.

Five Key Trends in Cuban Migration in 2023 - WOLA

Since our March 2022 commentary on Cuban migration, the Caribbean nation remains mired in economic turmoil with little relief. Nearly half a million Cubans have left their homes to seek new opportunities in the United States, embarking on perilous migrant routes over land and by sea. Meanwhile...

www.wola.org

Nearly 500k cubans came into America in the past 2 years....but SHHHHHHHHHHH they dont wanna talk about that....

 

[Absolut]

If incoming immigrants were such a big issue for republicans, they would remove the Cuban readjustment Act.

Cuban Adjustment Act - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

But @Absolut and others are hush on this particular issue. Meanwhile Cubans get welfare, section 8, medical assisstance, etc once they arrive to America.

Five Key Trends in Cuban Migration in 2023 - WOLA

Since our March 2022 commentary on Cuban migration, the Caribbean nation remains mired in economic turmoil with little relief. Nearly half a million Cubans have left their homes to seek new opportunities in the United States, embarking on perilous migrant routes over land and by sea. Meanwhile...

www.wola.org

Nearly 500k cubans came into America in the past 2 years....but SHHHHHHHHHHH they dont wanna talk about that....

You know me always in support of treating migrants better than actual citizens

 

[King Poetic]

The republicans don’t care about the border

They only care because Trump continues to spit about the border over and over and trump supporters backs him and they don’t want to alienate themselves..

Republicans have no mind of their own

 

[bnew]

The Senate unveiled its border bill. House Republicans immediately declared it dead. | Semafor

The ambitious effort to reform the U.S. asylum system may face impossible resistance.

www.semafor.com

Updated Feb 4, 2024, 11:41pm EST

POLITICS

The Senate unveiled its border bill. House Republicans immediately declared it dead.​

REUTERS/Elizabeth Frantz

THE NEWS​

Senate negotiators released the long-awaited text of their bipartisan border security deal Sunday night, a months-in-the-making effort that would dramatically reorganize the U.S. asylum system while giving the president new emergency powers to limit the flow of migrants into the country.

“We’re radically changing the way we’re spending dollars on border security and the asylum process,” said Sen. Kyrsten Sinema, I-Ariz., who led talks alongside Sen. James Lankford, R-Okla. and Chris Murphy, D-Conn.

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer announced plans for a procedural vote on the new border bill Wednesday as part of a broad national security package wrapping the measure together with aid to Ukraine and Israel. His Republican counterpart, Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, called on the Senate to “carefully consider the opportunity in front of us and prepare to act.”

Republicans last year demanded that Democrats agree to stricter border policies in return for unlocking new military support for Kiev. But the deal’s future is already in question thanks to strong opposition from House Republicans, whose leaders immediately slammed the border proposal as an unacceptable sop to liberals shortly after its debut.

Conference Chair Elise Stefanik dubbed it the “Joe Biden/Chuck Schumer Open Border Bill,” while Majority Leader Steve Scalise promised it “ will NOT receive a vote in the House.” Speaker Mike Johnson declared he’d “seen enough” and that the legislation was “dead on arrival.”

Senate conservatives also signaled they intended to slow or stop the deal. “No self-respecting senator should agree to vote on this 370-page bill this week,” Sen. Mike Lee tweeted. “Any 41 senators can prevent the bill from proceeding.”

THE DETAILS​

To satisfy immigration hawks, the agreement would create a stricter asylum process while providing the president new emergency powers allowing for the quick expulsion of migrants. Among other measures, it would:

• Significantly limit the president’s ability to let migrants temporarily settle in the country temporarily under humanitarian parole while their asylum cases are pending, ending a practice often derided as “catch and release.”
• Raise the standard for initial asylum screenings, which would be heard within 90 days.
• Take asylum cases out of the hands of immigration judges — who currently have a 3-million-case backlog — and place them under Department of Homeland Security officials, who would be required to resolve them within six months.
• Allow the president to halt all new asylum claims by migrants, unless they arrive at an official port of entry, if border crossings pass 4,000 per day over a two-week period. The pause would become mandatory if crossings hit 5,000 per day. Migrants who arrive between ports of entry, such as by crossing the Rio Grande, would be promptly expelled without a hearing.
  

Of the policy measures, the new emergency powers have arguably garnered the most attention. “We are creating this emergency authority so that when the system is overwhelmed, we can shut it down,” Sinema told reporters. President Biden would exercise that emergency authority “immediately on day one” given current levels, a senior Biden administration official told reporters Sunday night. However, Republicans have attacked it, arguing the president should be able to shut down asylum claims if there are any illegal crossings.

Along with policy changes, the bill would also include billions more in funding for policing the border — including $650 million allocated for further construction of the border wall.

Pro-immigration groups are already attacking the deal for making major concessions on the border without winning any traditional Democratic priorities, such as protections for Dreamers. To sell the deal to the left, Murphy called it “an important down payment on immigration reform,” emphasizing that it would create “a quicker, fairer asylum process” without the years long waits for decisions, as well as some new legal paths to immigration. It would:

• Provide 50,000 new employment and family reunification visas per year for the next five years.
• Establish a right to legal counsel for asylum-seekers during expedited removal proceedings. In addition, lawyers would be provided to unaccompanied children aged 13 and under.
• Provide a pathway to citizenship for Afghan allies evacuated by the US during the fall of Kabul in August 2021
  

The bill would also try to address the complaints of Democratic mayors who’ve seen their cities’ social services budgets stretched thin thanks to the arrival of migrants, by issuing quicker work permits to asylum seekers who do make it past their initial screening. Perhaps just as importantly, the new, stricter border measures have a variety of exceptions that could make them more palatable to Democrats.

While it would cut off the use of humanitarian parole at the border, it could still be used in other circumstances, such to aid war refugees or let individuals travel to the U.S. for medical treatment. The president’s new emergency powers also wouldn’t allow the president to entirely shut down the border to asylum seekers since legal ports of entry would still be required to process at least 1,400 claims a day.

“The border never closes, but claims must be processed at the ports,” Murphy tweeted. He also pointed out that the emergency authority would sunset in three years.

Those exceptions have already drawn the ire of conservatives, however. As he pronounced the bill DOA, Speaker Johnson quoted Murphy’s own description: “As the lead Democrat negotiator proclaimed: Under this legislation, ‘the border never closes.’”

THE VIEW FROM JAMES LANKFORD​

During a Sunday night press call, Lankford said he intended to get in touch with Johnson to discuss his bill, even though the speaker had just deemed it a dead letter. He also expressed hope for the legislation despite the statements from House GOP leaders, noting he’d been receiving encouraging text messages from some lower chamber Republicans who were supportive of the legislation.

“This is a member-driven body...especially right now with how divided the House is and how close the numbers are,” he said.

 

[bnew]

 

[Micky Mikey]

As conservatives balk, U.S. Border Patrol union endorses Senate immigration deal

The National Border Patrol Council, which endorsed Donald Trump for president in 2020, said the new bipartisan bill "will drop illegal border crossings nationwide."

www.nbcnews.com

Even the Border Patrol Union backs the bill but MAGA Republicans in the house are blocking it.

But watch this be spinned as being the "Dems fault" though

Haven't you guys got the picture by now? Republicans dont want to solve issues. They just want to complain and forment a moral panic to keep them under control. To Republicans its not about solving issues its about maintaining power.

 

[Buddy]

I'm still wondering if and when brehs will realize all that "we need reparations" talk turned into shyt about the border and immigration. And now that's arguably the top domestic issue going into this election. Not Black Americans, none of our needs and concerns

 

[bnew]

Why Mike Johnson Is Having a MAGA Meltdown Over the Border Deal

The House speaker is afraid that if the Senate bill passes, the GOP will partially own the border crisis. He—and Trump—also fear the bill will work.

newrepublic.com

Greg Sargent/

February 5, 2024

OWN IT MIKE

Why Mike Johnson Is Having a MAGA Meltdown Over the Border Deal​

The House speaker is afraid that if the Senate bill passes, the GOP will partially own the border crisis. He—and Trump—also fear the bill will work.​

CHIP SOMODEVILLA/GETTY IMAGES

House Speaker Mike Johnson

Because Republicans are so profoundly concerned about the border, the House GOP leadership’s first response to the new Senate border security deal was to declare that the House will never even vote on it. Why? Because if it did, the bill would pass the House on a comfortable bipartisan basis, and for Republicans, that is an unacceptable outcome.

House Speaker Mike Johnson’s reaction to the announcement of a deal late Sunday from a bipartisan group of senators was particularly telling. The bill, Johnson said, is “dead on arrival” in the House, because it “won’t come close to ending the border catastrophe the president has created.”

In saying this, Johnson exposed the real GOP calculation: If the bill passes, Biden might no longer fully own what happens at the border. Republicans will have participated in passing a solution, making it harder for them to blame Biden for it. That’s plainly why Donald Trump keeps urging Republicans to kill the bill.

The bill would, in fact, do a great deal that Republicans say they want. It would make it significantly harder to qualify for asylum, and it would channel major new expenditures into border security, expanded detention of migrants, and expedited processing of asylum claims, reducing backlogs in migrant processing—including faster removals of those who don’t qualify.

The Senate bill—negotiated by Republican James Lankford, independent Kyrsten Sinema, and Democrat Chris Murphy—would also create a new authority for the president to effectively shut down asylum seeking entirely once encounters with migrants hit an average of 4,000 per day. At 5,000, it would mandate this.

Trump and his allies are pretend-raging that the deal would “allow” 5,000 migrants to illegally enter daily. In fact, that number refers to encounters with migrants, meaning they’re put into the system where their claims are adjudicated. While many do get released while they await hearings, the law requires that those picked up on U.S. soil receive an asylum hearing if sought. Courts are badly backlogged, and detaining all migrants is logistically impossible, requiring enormous expenditures that the public would never tolerate.

That’s why every president releases a lot of migrants—including Trump, who released hundreds of thousands of them. True, the bill would not reinstate his policy of forcing migrants to await hearings in Mexico or basically end asylum seeking entirely, as the House GOP approach would. But this is what makes the deal a compromise.

The bill just would address problems Republicans constantly complain about. By beefing up investments in the asylum process and streamlining it so asylum officers (not judges) hear many cases, it would reduce those backlogs. Expanded detention would mean more migrants are detained, not released.

In short, the Trump-MAGA position is effectively that if the release of migrants into the U.S. is not eliminated entirely, no improvements count for anything. This explains why Republicans are so divided. Many in the Senate admit it would do a lot of what Republicans want. But that’s also why House Republicans are rejecting it.

Johnson gave away the game on NBC’s Meet the Press on Sunday. He falsely declared that Biden “opened the border” and “did it intentionally.” In this, Johnson hinted at his oft-expressed version of “great replacement theory,” that Democrats are scheming to convert migrants into Democratic voters. Johnson insisted that Biden “doesn’t need” a bill to fix the border; that he “has the authority right now.”

That’s baloney: Even Trump was unable to use executive authority to achieve MAGA’s goals, though he tried extremely hard. That’s why he ended up releasing many migrants too. But that aside, the rub here is that Johnson and Trump must sink the Senate compromise in order to keep arguing that Biden wants the border “open” and is “intentionally” refusing to take executive actions to shut it down. A bipartisan compromise that stabilizes the border wrecks that big lie, not to mention making the dabbling in great replacement theory—which is central to the MAGA worldview—look even crazier.

It should be mentioned that some Democrats are attacking the bill, arguing that it sells out our commitment to international human rights ideals. And yes, the compromise is extremely problematic in many ways. It’s awful to contemplate what Trump might do as president with the authority to shut down asylum seeking if certain migration thresholds are reached. This, plus the more stringent bar to getting asylum, do threaten core Democratic values.

However, this is not a simple calculation for Democrats, and it’s clear why some might see reasons to support it. Those investments in asylum processing would give Biden tools to make the system function better (though serious questions remain about how quickly this would happen). Importantly, the bill would also provide immediate work permits to enable migrants who pass the initial asylum screening to get jobs, potentially meaning fewer crowding homeless shelters in urban liberal strongholds.

As I’ve argued, a reasonable compromise could involve conceding restrictions on asylum in exchange for legalizing the “Dreamers” and others here legally and wider pathways for migrants to apply for entry from abroad. The goal should be to shift incentives toward that way of migrating, so fewer show up at the border seeking asylum and straining resources.

In some ways the deal enshrines that set of tradeoffs. Though it scandalously neglects the Dreamers yet again, it preserves Biden’s parole programs, which allow tens of thousands to arrive monthly from abroad, and it creates 250,000 new green card slots over five years. It also beefs up due process for migrants in certain critical respects.

None of this makes the bill’s serious downsides more acceptable. But the combination of making the asylum system function—plus preserving legal channels for application from abroad—could have political benefits over time. If this balance works, it could persuade swing voters that migration and asylum seeking can be managed in ways benefiting the country, making the ground less fertile for MAGA’s natalist appeals.

Admittedly, the best political outcome for Dems may be that House Republicans kill the compromise, turning voters against Republicans and sparing Democrats from supporting something that alienates their base and threatens terrible humanitarian outcomes. Yet not doing anything new at the border—maintaining the status quo—while heading into a general election against Trump carries its own risks.

In fact, the latter is exactly the calculation that MAGA Republicans are making. Notably, Trump himself greeted the bill’s release by declaring it a “great gift to Democrats,” laying that obvious truth bare for all to see. As Johnson has helpfully demonstrated, he’s simply operationalizing Trump’s scam.

 

[Dameon Farrow]

This immigration bill is the very definition of compromise. I mean it's textbook. But the House is listening to Trump.

Too many lurking bothsiders find time to post in 'trump will be reelected' fearmongering threads but stay away from this discussion. Smh