If republicans really had doubts about Obamacare, they would see it through

[winb83]

Can someone tell what the hell are death-panels?

typical republican fear-mongering tactic made up by Sarah Palin.

 

[OneManGang]

Well, from an intellectual standpoint I can understand the penalty.

If people who can afford insurance decide to opt-out (because they're cheap or whatever), and they end up having some kind of medical emergency, you can be pretty sure they'll still go to the ER and get treated. Since the ER bill is likely to be astronomical, more than likely most of these people won't be able to pay it anytime soon. The hospital has to absorb this cost and pass it on to everybody else in the form of higher costs for their services, and thus higher insurance premiums. That's what happens now.

So from that standpoint, it makes sense. A penalty for risky behavior that society might have to pay for.

But that said, single-payer would clearly be better. Unfortunately it's not politically feasible right now.




I'm pretty sure most of the millions of uninsured people in the country will find the bronze plan less "terrible" than having no insurance whatsoever.

It really is this simple

 

[Rawtid]

We have about 45 million Americans living in poverty. Can you imagine picking up the tab for 45 million people? It's going to be a monumental failure.





It's actually legal because the government has the right to tax you. So it's not so much a penalty, it's more of a tax. You get taxed for not having insurance, basically. Those that get insurance will get a "tax break" in the form of a deduction or subsidy or something.

I'm hoping they pass a new provision that eliminates the penalty, it's not really fair to people who choose not to get health insurance. What ever happened to having the freedom to not buy insurance if you don't want to?





It's going to be a success for the big HMOs like WellPoint who had a hand in writing the healthcare bill.

It's going to be terrible for people who get stuck with the "bronze" plan. Obama and all senators/congress who voted for this are exempt from this law. They're not going to get some mediocre "bronze" or "silver" plan because even they know the coverage under those plans is going to be shyt tier. Healthcare under those plans is going to be rationed.

So yeah, it' going to be a success for big pharma and the big HMOs, at the expense of the American people.

It can't work if more people don't pay in. The tax for not having healthcare is necessary. I'm for the tax though...I think everyone should have healthcare and should be seeing a doctor at least once a year.

 

[SumBlackguyz]

Would you let a person driivng erradicatly in a car youre in crash just to tell them "I told you so"?

If I was a republican, yes. Also I might tear off the steering wheel because they wouldn't agree to drive off a cliff instead of into a tree

 

[He Who Posts Well]

Obamacare is going to be like Social Security. It's going to be good now and for years to come.
But America is huge. We have thousands of people who are poor. We aren't Norway or Switzerland. It's going to become a crippling financial burden. By that time, Obama will probably have passed away.
It's going to be like a Lexington Steele video . The American economy is only going to get the tip in the beginning. But it will get piped down later on.

That analogy

 

[winb83]

It can't work if more people don't pay in. The tax for not having healthcare is necessary. I'm for the tax though...I think everyone should have healthcare and should be seeing a doctor at least once a year.

The tax is 1% of your income though.

 

[ThaRealness]

Obamacare is going to be like Social Security. It's going to be good now and for years to come.
But America is huge. We have thousands of people who are poor. We aren't Norway or Switzerland. It's going to become a crippling financial burden. By that time, Obama will probably have passed away.
It's going to be like a Lexington Steele video . The American economy is only going to get the tip in the beginning. But it will get piped down later on.

I think this could be post of the year..

 

[FaTaL]

typical republican fear-mongering tactic made up by Sarah Palin.

http://www.freshrant.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/glen-rice-sarah-palin.jpg

 

[unit321]

That analogy

the tip

 

[Type Username Here]

Well, from an intellectual standpoint I can understand the penalty.

If people who can afford insurance decide to opt-out (because they're cheap or whatever), and they end up having some kind of medical emergency, you can be pretty sure they'll still go to the ER and get treated. Since the ER bill is likely to be astronomical, more than likely most of these people won't be able to pay it anytime soon. The hospital has to absorb this cost and pass it on to everybody else in the form of higher costs for their services, and thus higher insurance premiums. That's what happens now.

So from that standpoint, it makes sense. A penalty for risky behavior that society might have to pay for.

But that said, single-payer would clearly be better. Unfortunately it's not politically feasible right now.
I'm pretty sure most of the millions of uninsured people in the country will find the bronze plan less "terrible" than having no insurance whatsoever.

No one that would actually advocate a true progressive health care system would ever be glad with forcing and punishing people for not adding to the coffers of some of the worst corporations on this planet.

We are essentially being forced to support and make richer companies that do this:

How to Charge $546 for Six Liters of Saltwater
[...]
That would seem to make it the rare medical item that is cheaper in the United States than in France, where the price at a typical hospital in Paris last year was 3.62 euros, or $4.73.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/27/health/exploring-salines-secret-costs.html?pagewanted=all


And adding money to the lobbying efforts of the aforementioned companies. I can't cosign this at all, especially the precedent it sets for the government forcing you to buy private products.

I don't like Reaganomics, no thank you.