If I see one more fool disparage Mandela...

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I don't usually call people out or engage in shyt like this but I swear to god if I hear one more fool declare in any measure that Mandela sold out black people to whites I will blow a fukking gasket.

You are not smart or controversial, you are profoundly ignorant and know nothing of the scope of history or the volatile powder keg of hatred that Mandela took the task of diffusing.

You idiots speak of retribution, blood spilled and revenge as if throughout the history of Africa post-independence this hasn't manifested in civil war, genocide, ethnic cleansing, extreme poverty, political anomie and economic destitution.

There is no shortage of examples Sudan, Somalia, Sierra Leone, Nigeria, Congo, Rwanda, Uganda, Burundi, Kenya, the list goes on. Over just 40 years 10's of millions killed, millions more ruined and displaced, the potential wealth of Africa left to rot and this is the future that you have had Mandela endorse for his people? You think because the oppressors were white and the anger was just, the results would have been any different?

Look at Zimbabwe and the complete economic collapse caused by the violent seizure of farms from whites and the now tarnished legacy of Mugabe. Look at the life of blacks in South Africa relative to these countries and tell me that war and conflict would have been the right choice.

Yet you front like because you take a harder line on white people on the internet you're somehow more down for black people than he was and have the nerve to imply that he was somehow a white stooge and in the case of that degenerate moron @Crakface use his name and House nikka in the same sentence?
seriously GTFOH :camby:

The magnanimity and moral integrity of what he did and sheer impossibility of the choices he had to make confound reason and cannot be reduced to such simple simon racewar shyt. It is possible to be conflicted about some of those choices without descending to the bullshyt revisionism that I've been seeing.

And miss me with the scorned ex-wife Winnie quotes. She forfeited her right to be heard when she sanctioned atrocities committed against black children.
 

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Is there massive wealth inequality in South Africa between blacks and whites? Yes (though this stems from a trend in global capitalism that is only exacerbated by the legacy Apartheid). it was Mandela's notion that securing political power was the first step towards the accumulation of black wealth and meaningful land reform.

He would be the first to tell you that he was not an economist but his successors were well placed to follow through on the moral example that he had set and secure the future of black South Africans. It is they that have failed to live up to his legacy and have implemented policies that have only served to enrich a small black elite and spread corruption.
 

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And just so we know who I'm talking about
Out of respect for the dead I did not want to express this here, but it's absolutely the truth.

Mandela ended apartheid, but he ultimately tied his people to white supremacy and dependence forever.

Regardless, RIP. He did a lot for black people.
We arent cacs. We have to be honest about our leaders. Its important for future generations to know where a leader went wrong and Nelsons flaw was cosigning a measure that took land away from his people and gave it to cacs, so he could get out of prison.

What good was your movement if you took all that blood that was spilled for your movement and shyt on it. You cant see a reason why South Africans would be upset with Mandela. The great freedom fighter comes home and gives his enemy their land? I mean really?

Should Trayvons father take a photo with Zimmerman cheesed up talkin bout i forgive you for a sponsorship from Nike and the NRA? :rudy:
Too passive for me.

27 years in jail for fighting for what's right? Then he gets out of jail and doesn't make any demands for his people.

The people of South Africa are still dirt poor. No different than during the apartheid era.

Whites control the same amount of wealth they did prior to apartheid.
He gave the people words. Thats it. He gave them hope for *freedom* with his mouth but then what his work actually showed was him giving control of the majority of the land to the whites that had black people in South Africa under apartheid. He made this deal so he could get out of prison. In exchange he was able to become the president and with his power he fukked his people with no rubber. I just dont know why people call him a hero. At least anyone that read a book.

R.I.P Mandela is just a catch phrase for people that want to get *im not racist* cool points and nikkas that want to front like they know something about history.

Mandela is one of the biggest heel turns in black history.
Mandela was a great leader before he went to prison but i dont know how, if you're a man who claims to be informed on his legacy can sit up here and say that when he got out he did right by his people and warrants you saying anything to me in terms of criticizing his legacy. O i get it because you have a comic book character in your avatar of a black panther you're supposed to be informed on the issues. Im not feeling it. I dont believe you.
You have to be skeptical any time a black man gets universal praise from CACs. Especially if that black man and black people suffered directly at their hands. Mandela should have had all those South African CACs heads on steaks.
Y'all nikka can neg me all you want but Mandela sold his people out.

R.I.P though
Some people really believe these cacs would be really making hollywood movies about a real black hero? :childplease:
Mandela was nothing but a puppet to keep the black man passive on that kumbaya shyt just like MLK...
 

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Knew a girl on facebook who didn't even know who Mandela was and said some ignorant shyt about Africa as a whole. I was going to screencap but it thought it wasn't worth it.
 

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The worst is these privileged scmhucks calling Mandela a keen and a sellout.

Rgwse fakkits couldn't even last 4 hours in a south African jail, Mandela did 27 years .

These kewns would have saluted him if he was on his civil war stress and hundred of thousands I'd not millions of south Africans would have been slaughtered.
 
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Deals I agree

The worst is these privileged scmhucks calling Mandela a keen and a sellout.

Rgwse fakkits couldn't even last 4 hours in a south African jail, Mandela did 27 years .

These kewns would have saluted him if he was on his civil war stress and hundred of thousands I'd not millions of south Africans would have been slaughtered.
Oh really?
Show me some pics of him in jail :patrice:
 
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I'm not for disparaging Mandela because he stood for a revolution that many white nations condemn. Even the US had him on the terror list until 2008.

But one thing you do have to ask is why is the wealth gap so wide with the bulk at the hands of the whites.

Yes apartheid was ended, but if it then descends into the wealth inequality it is today, then what did the movement
really accomplish?

It seems to me that it fell apart at the ends, and just evolved into the 'segregation' of modern times.

I admit I need to research more into the circumstances leading up to his release and his political career proceeding, but what I do stand on is that this man had massive leverage, in addition to becoming president. The name apartheid was no more, but it's 'economic sanctions' still stand today.

What did the black majority really obtain?

You must ask questions when american media is forcing this rhetoric down out throats speaking nothing but his love for 'both sides'. The same media who posted a photo of the shot up body of Malcolm X on its newspapers, who defiles the history of the revolution of slaves in Haiti, but you love this man? It seems to me American media loves a black leader who urges his people to become docile and passive, touting a word called freedom that has no inherent meaning in daily life:sitdown:
 
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I don't usually call people out or engage in shyt like this but I swear to god if I hear one more fool declare in any measure that Mandela sold out black people to whites I will blow a fukking gasket.

You are not smart or controversial, you are profoundly ignorant and know nothing of the scope of history or the volatile powder keg of hatred that Mandela took the task of diffusing.

You idiots speak of retribution, blood spilled and revenge as if throughout the history of Africa post-independence this hasn't manifested in civil war, genocide, ethnic cleansing, extreme poverty, political anomie and economic destitution.

There is no shortage of examples Sudan, Somalia, Sierra Leone, Nigeria, Congo, Rwanda, Uganda, Burundi, Kenya, the list goes on. Over just 40 years 10's of millions killed, millions more ruined and displaced, the potential wealth of Africa left to rot and this is the future that you have had Mandela endorse for his people? You think because the oppressors were white and the anger was just, the results would have been any different?

Look at Zimbabwe and the complete economic collapse caused by the violent seizure of farms from whites and the now tarnished legacy of Mugabe. Look at the life of blacks in South Africa relative to these countries and tell me that war and conflict would have been the right choice.

Yet you front like because you take a harder line on white people on the internet you're somehow more down for black people than he was and have the nerve to imply that he was somehow a white stooge and in the case of that degenerate moron @Crakface use his name and House nikka in the same sentence?
seriously GTFOH :camby:

The magnanimity and moral integrity of what he did and sheer impossibility of the choices he had to make confound reason and cannot be reduced to such simple simon racewar shyt. It is possible to be conflicted about some of those choices without descending to the bullshyt revisionism that I've been seeing.

And miss me with the scorned ex-wife Winnie quotes. She forfeited her right to be heard when she sanctioned atrocities committed against black children.

I agree with you for the most part. But a lot of people and the media ignore his past. To paint him as a saint is far from the truth. I'm sick of the sycophantic messages by people that want to appear smart and down with the cause, when most people know nothing of him except what the media says. My issue is mostly with ignorance. Should we ignore his past and what he did? Mandela is a great man, I look up to him for what he did. Without him, South Africa could have ended up like Zimbawe, a civil war could have killed countless people. To me, Mandela is neither saint nor sinner, but a human being that made mistakes but truly fight for what he believed in and that's what I admire the most.
 

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He was president for one term and anc did not win a majority to rewrite the constitution



I'm not for disparaging Mandela because he stood for a revolution that many white nations condemn. Even the US had him on the terror list until 2008.

But one thing you do have to ask is why is the wealth gap so wide with the bulk at the hands of the whites.

Yes apartheid was ended, but if it then descends into the wealth inequality it is today, then what did the movement
really accomplish?

It seems to me that it fell apart at the ends, and just evolved into the 'segregation' of modern times.

I admit I need to research more into the circumstances leading up to his release and his political career preceding, but what I do stand on is that this man had massive leverage, in addition to becoming president. The name apartheid was no more, but it's 'economic sanctions' still stand today.

What did the black majority really obtain?

You must ask questions when american media is forcing this rhetoric down out throats speaking nothing but his love for 'both sides'. The same media who posted a photo of the shot up body of Malcolm X on its newspapers, who defiles the history of the revolution of slaves in Haiti, but you love this man? It seems to me American media loves a black leader who urges his people to become docile and passive, touting a word called freedom that has no inherent meaning in daily life:sitdown:
 

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I'm not for disparaging Mandela because he stood for a revolution that many white nations condemn. Even the US had him on the terror list until 2008.

But one thing you do have to ask is why is the wealth gap so wide with the bulk at the hands of the whites.

Yes apartheid was ended, but if it then descends into the wealth inequality it is today, then what did the movement
really accomplish?

It seems to me that it fell apart at the ends, and just evolved into the 'segregation' of modern times.

I admit I need to research more into the circumstances leading up to his release and his political career preceding, but what I do stand on is that this man had massive leverage, in addition to becoming president. The name apartheid was no more, but it's 'economic sanctions' still stand today.

What did the black majority really obtain?

You must ask questions when american media is forcing this rhetoric down out throats speaking nothing but his love for 'both sides'. The same media who posted a photo of the shot up body of Malcolm X on its newspapers, who defiles the history of the revolution of slaves in Haiti, but you love this man? It seems to me American media loves a black leader who urges his people to become docile and passive, touting a word called freedom that has no inherent meaning in daily life:sitdown:

Using non-violence is the best chance people have in some situations. You got to use your head and not your emotions. Too many oppressed black people still believe that you gotta have some super bloody revolution in modern times to get things done. Like nuclear weapons don't exist in the 21st century. Or weapons that can wipe out entire neighborhoods in one round of ammo. By non-violence, you will win outside support and prove how REALLY shytty the oppressor is to the world.
 

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Apartheid literally ended 20 years ago and nikkas really are acting like SA should be flourishing,it's not as simple as you nikkas make it seem.20 years is long enough for all of the wounds of apartheid to be healed?
 
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