If Geno Smith doesn't get a chance in New York, I'm done.

[Trip]

Being captain obvious doesn't change the fact that you've used Bowles and his belief to downplay Geno rather than up play the obvious continuity Fitz has had playing with the receivers being the real reason why he's playing. No one is advocating to break that up. You spent a lot of time making Fitz playing time a reflection of Geno rather than that

I've always maintained Fitz is a much better player.

 

[NYC Rebel]

I've always maintained Fitz is a much better player.

But you used him playing now and Bowels manufactured belief as proof when the fact is that geno being punched is the only reason he's playing

 

[godkiller]

... and not turning the ball over... but it's not really that important in football... carry on.

Yeah, Fitz turns the ball over. Again, the only reason the Jets have won is because of our elite defense, not Fitz's qualities.

 

[Trip]

But you used him playing now and Bowels manufactured belief as proof when the fact is that geno being punched is the only reason he's playing

Geno got punched a lifetime ago....no one knows what would have happened. Fitz has since gotten hurt, had surgery and Geno still didnt get the job.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Geno got punched a lifetime ago....no one knows what would have happened. Fitz has since gotten hurt, had surgery and Geno still didnt get the job.

Here is where the intellectual dishonesty kicks in.

We can tell you that Bowels or none of us would be willing to remove the continuity Fitz has established with his receivers. You ignore that and things to the above quote. Fitz getting hurt doesn't prove your point. Just proves your intellectual dishonesty reviving itself in another way.

 

[godkiller]

I know that Geno Smith has a lot of growing up to do before he'll ever be a successful QB in the league. He's not a leader and isn't respected by his teammates or the Jets.

A month ago he called a reporter asking to interview him a "dyck head." Was the reporter a dyck head? Possibly, but all Geno had to say was sorry not today and KIM. He's in the biggest media market in the world. He has to realize every little thing he does or says is going to be scrutinized and talked about.

He's late to practices, he was kicked off a Virgin airlines flight for not getting off his phone when repeatedly asked, then there is the whole IK Enemkpali incident that we all know about.

Yes, Geno has talent and should get another start somewhere in the league, but he needs to model his career after Killah Cam or Russell at this point in time. Grow up, earn the respect of his teammates, and not turn the ball over so much.

There I've made a football point.

A bad political point at that. Flacco is not a leader, Wilson is not a leader and Cutler is not leader. Flacco insulted his HOF linebacker; Cutler; own teammates and ex-teammates dislike him (i.e. Bennett and MArshall) and Wilson's teammates also variously dislike him. These guys are all good QBs and better than so-called leaders like Matt Barkley and Tebow. Cam actually is more immature than Geno, with all his dancing and Superman costumes. Inasmuch we are taking about football, and not dumb cac double standard politics about "leadership", Geno is talented QB that has shown an upward trend, unlike Tannehill, Case Keenum and Brandon Weeden, all cacs have played with weapons, failed and yet still keep getting chances.

You think you've seen it all with sport fans then you see a hardcore Geno Stan

Tbf to roddy i don't even believe deep down he thinks Genos all that good.. It's mostly a racial thing with him

I'm just attached to Geno because he started 2 years and I believe he can do well. I'm not attached to EJ Manuel because I know he sucks, notwithstanding the fact he's black.

 

[Trip]

Here is where the intellectual dishonesty kicks in.

We can tell you that Bowels or none of us would be willing to remove the continuity Fitz has established with his receivers. You ignore that and things to the above quote. Fitz getting hurt doesn't prove your point. Just proves your intellectual dishonesty reviving itself in another way.

So Fitzpatrick should play. I'm glad we agree.

 

[godkiller]

I'm responding to your comment about him only beating bad teams. That's it.

Jets were 3-10 with Geno at the helm last year.

Except Fitz has only beaten crappy teams, precisely as @NYC Rebel says. Did he almost beat the Pats? Yes, but he didn't, and Geno actually came closer to beating the Pats with fewer weapons last year. Fitz only beats up on bad passing defenses, and gets shut down against good ones. Every week he literally only scores like 20 points max and depends on our defense to hold the opponent.

Against the Texans, we lost. Against the Pats, we lost. Against the Bills, we lost. Against the Eagles, we lost. These are all the highest ranked defenses we faced all year and Fitz lost.

 

[Trip]

Except Fitz has only beaten crappy teams, precisely as @NYC Rebel says. Did he almost beat the Pats? Yes, but he didn't, and Geno actually came closer to beating the Pats with fewer weapons last year. Fitz only beats up on bad passing defenses, and gets shut down against good ones. Every week he literally only scores like 20 points max and depends on our defense to hold the opponent.

Against the Texans, we lost. Against the Pats, we lost. Against the Bills, we lost. Against the Eagles, we lost. These are all the highest ranked defenses we faced all year and Fitz lost.

This is exactly what we all wanted. This team won 4 games last year. We've now won 7 with 4 left and a chance at the playoffs. We're beating the teams we're supposed to beat.

 

[godkiller]

This is exactly what we all wanted. This team won 4 games last year. We've now won 7 with 4 left and a chance at the playoffs. We're beating the teams we're supposed to beat.

I don't want a game manager starting. We won 8 in 2013 with a rookie Geno and a disaffected Santonio Holmes. When we have talent we can definitely win. This I already know. However when we face good teams, we will lose. Why? Because we are starting a journeyman game manager.

 

[Trip]

I don't want a game manager starting. We won 8 in 2013 with a rookie Geno and a disaffected Santonio Holmes. When we have talent we can definitely win. This I already know. However when we face good teams, we will lose. Why? Because we are starting a journeyman game manager.

Correct. We're not winning the Super Bowl this year. This roster isnt all that good. However we're building a new regime here...a new culture. Fitzpatrick is the bridge to hopefully Petty or someone else to when the roster is set by Maccagnan we can make legit runs over a longer period of time.

Geno wasnt a big prospect. He wasnt that good in college. You're propping him up as some super cant miss guy. I dont get it...not every situation is the same. He missed out here(whether it be entirely his fault or no, it's meaningless)

He'll have a shot elsewhere and Id imagine you'll be following him. The Jets dont owe Geno anything.

 

[Kings County]

Hold up. There are actually Jets fans out there that think they'd have done better this season with Geno?

yeah
geno actually has an arm we've lost games cause fitz cant throw the ball deep or even medium length at times

 

[Carlos Huerta]

Dog....you can talk around it, but the Fitz example of "almost" beating the Pats was altogether your idea to introduce in here and highlights my points of the selective nature of fans who forget that Geno did the same, actually win and had receivers fail him in close games vs them.

You brought up the Pats.you did...not me. I responded with Genos play vs those same Pats. But that's NEVER brought up.

Again....you expected the Jets to be better than 3-10 last season with Geno throwing to David Nelson and company? Like seriously...bring up records and tie expectations to them debating with end result statisticians who refuse to ingest the things that got them there


To say this...add context to Geno is a crime

I could see this response making sense if in fact I was one of those posters last year that blamed Geno for losses despite the drops, but i'm not. I can only comment on the games I've watched and that's why I mentioned the Pats in response to YOU bringing up how Fitz has only beaten bad teams. I'm sure all of the Jets losses are not on Geno. Never said they were.

He s a black qb he will not get the same opportunites as a white QB- SEe: RG# 3rd string in DC but all the excuses in the world for Luck and Matt Ryan this year- meanwhile Cam Newton "just has an easy schedule"

Having an easy schedule is not an opinion, it's a fact. Opponents with a combined schedule of 58-74 is an easy schedule. Cam Newton is the MVP favorite right now.

 

[Carlos Huerta]

Yeah, Fitz turns the ball over. Again, the only reason the Jets have won is because of our elite defense, not Fitz's qualities.

the Coli.. the sports forum where turnovers DON'T matter in football.

 

[godkiller]

Correct. We're not winning the Super Bowl this year. This roster isnt all that good. However we're building a new regime here...a new culture. Fitzpatrick is the bridge to hopefully Petty or someone else to when the roster is set by Maccagnan we can make legit runs over a longer period of time.

Geno wasnt a big prospect. He wasnt that good in college. You're propping him up as some super cant miss guy. I dont get it...not every situation is the same. He missed out here(whether it be entirely his fault or no, it's meaningless)

He'll have a shot elsewhere and Id imagine you'll be following him. The Jets dont owe Geno anything.

Petty is a 4th round old that is currently the same age of Geno. He actually played and dominated younger players in college. The chances of him becoming anything worth wasting a year to get are low. More likely we are just wasting a year with Fitz and waiting to draft a QB sometime in the future. Maccagnan hasn't shown any aptitude in grooming QBs either.

As for Geno, he was a good college prospect, not great. This is because he showed inconsistent accuracy at times, disappointing pocket presence and some lack of anticipation. But indeed the pocket presence and anticipation issues might have come from coaching, as Geno has improved in both these areas over the last 2 years. He is more accurate too. Geno is one of those 2nd round QBs that can develop and fix his weaknesses given his age, arm strength and quick feet.

As to whether I follow Geno, it depends on what the Jets do. If we get a new exciting QB I'll evaluate him and follow him. I hope Goff or that dude from USC falls to us.