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thank god
If Cam'ron isn't Top 5 GOAT of all time
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Mike Statik
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extensive vocab... not rhyming letters like Cam does all the time... u can have great wordplay and not be lyrical, u can have sick multis and metaphors and not be lyrical...
Canibus, Ras Kass, Chino XL, Nas, GZA... those are lyrical rappers
Canibus, Ras Kass, Chino XL, Nas, GZA... those are lyrical rappers
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i see u like more then one syllable word different references to egpyptian
pyramids but not really rhyming anything type of mc.
canibus and chino xl i don't really considered them to be lyricist but to each his own.
Homeboy Runny-Ray
From Around The Way
im not into going back-n-forth with people who seem told hold a grudge.
as for the other guy, for the record, i dont think cam is top 5 at all. i think hes top 20, arguably top 15.
as for the other guy, for the record, i dont think cam is top 5 at all. i think hes top 20, arguably top 15.
Mike Statik
Pro
i never said i was a fan of any of those guys,... im just sayin they are lyrical rappers... and Bis and Chino are def lyrical not really a huge fan of either but theyre def lyrical
and my fav emcees as of today are
G Rap
Nas
Elzhi
Crooked I
Sean Price
Royce
Budden
Rakim
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ok thank u for clarifying but still canibus and chino xl aren not lyricist to me
their rhyme schemes are basic.
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
biggie is nowhere near the goat,...
as cam is big's rightful heir and protege,...he still did not evolve in skill fast enough to trump, what big did.
the only protege's in rap who surpassed their teacher are:
ll
kool g rap
when they surpassed silver foxx off of larger discography and evolution of sustained skill level.
in the take over of newschool way of thought vs old school way of thought
other than technical skill and intangibles,....
g rap and ll were making the pioneering steps on their own. in the dawn of the newschool way of thought.
while fox never continued his masterfully skilled career, after the segregation of newschool of thought from the old school way of thought.
real talk,..silver fox pound for pound was actually as good or possibly neck and neck with his old school contemporAries. caz and melle mel,....especially considering he wAs a late start. considering he was a late start,...if you factor in his uppage in skill. it could be the greatest skills leap in rap history.
as silver fox was one of the only newschool way of thought skilled emcees.
before the arrival of the newschool way of thought
anyway,..the goat is krs.
flowed by:
rakim
tied is ll cool j and bdk at three
melle mel T is four
g rap at five.
caz is six
finesse is seven
after those guys,..there is no need to actually rank anyone else.
as the skillsets of any one else are not rooted in originality.
or lack some intangible that was already present or done better in small or larger capsulated time skillwise.
by the group i like to call the seven.
silver fox's braintrust aided two of the top five to assail to pioneering hof greatness.
only reason why silver fox is not known aNd he was the most gangsta old school rapper too. is his impact was bottled up, purposefully by the scourge that was sugar hill.
after he served sugar hill's crash crew[who stole his first hit record's instrumental/melody and is credited with being the group that gave rza the idea to do wu tang]. yet for as skilled as the crash was. fox served the whole crew By himself, in a live battle. plus made argueably the greatest diss record ever, biters in the city, on top of that. or at least the greatest oldschool skilled battle record ever. or a top two diss record of all time.
to this day silverfox's cadence and advanced syllable advanced technjcal skills.
are still more advanced than mostly all of the newschool way of thought.
as his skills present on the buck stops here. later on in the beginning of the 2000's. his skill model on girl content records, in the newschool way of thought was just coming to prominence.
when the buck stops here was released in the early eighties.
plus his model for cadence is still only used consistently by these artist. after it was ushered back to prominence by g rap and ll, in 97-99.
whereas those models were lifted as the two syllable or advanced rubrick in all of rap music, in the new school way of thought.
not to mention g rap and ll's skillset as the most lifted skill sets and intangibles in the newschool way of thought as well.
i like cam but bigg did nuffin to add to the evolution of skill.
plus his impact sales wise was already achieved by ll, rock-ski, markie dee, chubb rock and heavy d.
[big only permeated because of direction of violent content and it is the immature reasoning of his content. from immature non knowledgeable emotionally hurt fans who continue to create the lie big is a goat. big is really far from the top seven.] a noob will look past the skillsets of big's contemporaries who were better. or created he impact for him to have prominence via sales and pr.
it was not actual skill that aided big but the mca model and position mca had in the breakthrough of daytime/primetime rap from heavy d and chubb rock's the one. which sold on par or better than big's rtd, years before. which created the liasons puff would use for badboy's radio dominance amd impact later on.
as well, as g rap or ll being better skilled and pioneering rap as a mainstram salesable commodity earlier ,.....plus cam lifted or evolved as the herald or protege the models of skill from g rap, biggie, big l, finesse.
not to mention incorporated skills and conceptual content from ghostface to master p.
now skillwise currently is cam the battle champion of ny,..yes.
art barr
as cam is big's rightful heir and protege,...he still did not evolve in skill fast enough to trump, what big did.
the only protege's in rap who surpassed their teacher are:
ll
kool g rap
when they surpassed silver foxx off of larger discography and evolution of sustained skill level.
in the take over of newschool way of thought vs old school way of thought
other than technical skill and intangibles,....
g rap and ll were making the pioneering steps on their own. in the dawn of the newschool way of thought.
while fox never continued his masterfully skilled career, after the segregation of newschool of thought from the old school way of thought.
real talk,..silver fox pound for pound was actually as good or possibly neck and neck with his old school contemporAries. caz and melle mel,....especially considering he wAs a late start. considering he was a late start,...if you factor in his uppage in skill. it could be the greatest skills leap in rap history.
as silver fox was one of the only newschool way of thought skilled emcees.
before the arrival of the newschool way of thought
anyway,..the goat is krs.
flowed by:
rakim
tied is ll cool j and bdk at three
melle mel T is four
g rap at five.
caz is six
finesse is seven
after those guys,..there is no need to actually rank anyone else.
as the skillsets of any one else are not rooted in originality.
or lack some intangible that was already present or done better in small or larger capsulated time skillwise.
by the group i like to call the seven.
silver fox's braintrust aided two of the top five to assail to pioneering hof greatness.
only reason why silver fox is not known aNd he was the most gangsta old school rapper too. is his impact was bottled up, purposefully by the scourge that was sugar hill.
after he served sugar hill's crash crew[who stole his first hit record's instrumental/melody and is credited with being the group that gave rza the idea to do wu tang]. yet for as skilled as the crash was. fox served the whole crew By himself, in a live battle. plus made argueably the greatest diss record ever, biters in the city, on top of that. or at least the greatest oldschool skilled battle record ever. or a top two diss record of all time.
to this day silverfox's cadence and advanced syllable advanced technjcal skills.
are still more advanced than mostly all of the newschool way of thought.
as his skills present on the buck stops here. later on in the beginning of the 2000's. his skill model on girl content records, in the newschool way of thought was just coming to prominence.
when the buck stops here was released in the early eighties.
plus his model for cadence is still only used consistently by these artist. after it was ushered back to prominence by g rap and ll, in 97-99.
whereas those models were lifted as the two syllable or advanced rubrick in all of rap music, in the new school way of thought.
not to mention g rap and ll's skillset as the most lifted skill sets and intangibles in the newschool way of thought as well.
i like cam but bigg did nuffin to add to the evolution of skill.
plus his impact sales wise was already achieved by ll, rock-ski, markie dee, chubb rock and heavy d.
[big only permeated because of direction of violent content and it is the immature reasoning of his content. from immature non knowledgeable emotionally hurt fans who continue to create the lie big is a goat. big is really far from the top seven.] a noob will look past the skillsets of big's contemporaries who were better. or created he impact for him to have prominence via sales and pr.
it was not actual skill that aided big but the mca model and position mca had in the breakthrough of daytime/primetime rap from heavy d and chubb rock's the one. which sold on par or better than big's rtd, years before. which created the liasons puff would use for badboy's radio dominance amd impact later on.
as well, as g rap or ll being better skilled and pioneering rap as a mainstram salesable commodity earlier ,.....plus cam lifted or evolved as the herald or protege the models of skill from g rap, biggie, big l, finesse.
not to mention incorporated skills and conceptual content from ghostface to master p.
now skillwise currently is cam the battle champion of ny,..yes.
art barr
Mike Statik
Pro
maybe so... but rhyme schemes and lyrics are 2 dif things
IMO He's not a top MC but he deserves his props as one of the GOAT personalities in rap as well as one of the most influential (especially this past decade)
Salute.
Salute.
Grano-Grano
The Bando
yo who the fukk is Ras Kass? He look like a faq tho
Don't compare fags to Killa lil nikkas
Don't compare fags to Killa lil nikkas
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JulesWinfield
TheBrehdrenMovement
it's sad more people don't know who silver fox is.
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
this type of reasoning is why no one pays you any attention in any rap discussion.
not to mention,..people who know the real history.
never pay you any attention past knowing you should be in a nursomg home for mental issues.
nuffin you talk about is culturally sound from any standpoint whatsoever.
plus, you have never experienced the culture and are a revisionist pac clonewar stan.
trying to falsely authenicate erroneous ideals about emcee'n.
when you are no emcee, and know nuffin about emcee'n as a pillar.
as you can not learn to emcee from a poetry book.
art barr
art barr
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breh u not making any sense not to mention some of the stuff you said
is super irelevant