If Cam'ron isn't Top 5 GOAT of all time
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Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
funny thing is sugar hill's impact was so suffocating to the real.
rza gives credit to crash and never mentioned fantasy three.
silver fox had kool moe dee shook, and used to terrorize dude,..to the point he tried to save face by precipitating a battle with ll, much later on.
in the ll lyric where ll is like i waited in the lobby to get ignored is about moe dee fronting on him.
it is irony that ll got good with fox. after moe dee played him as a shawty.
then ll seen how fox had moe dee shook.
so when moe dee challenged ll.
that is also why their battle ll had the smirk smilie on his face most of the time for.
i did not know what that was about till i found the real history. like why ll wa so lax about moe dee.
once i found the real history moe dee was a sucker, trying to get false acclaim.
which is why let's go is over processed cause you can't come at the protege and you scared of the master...who was fox.
also,..it is argueable crash as a collective was as good as treacherous.
crash should be known more because mike and dave were the promoters for the scene then.
yet i think the battle loss ruined their cred. just like the fantastic's against cold crush.
it is just trecherous is given more acclaim because of their cinema inclusions.
so skillwise treacherous,...looks more credible.
yet fox took out crash and i know he would have dispatched moe dee.
moe dee was just picking on lesser emcees...when he had real comp,...he ran, like the funny style b!tch that he was.
joe budden does the same thing too.
i bet that weak n!gga never opens his mouth about me.
just like moe dee did to foxx..cause i would serve that ho ass n!gga,.and show the real.
especially since he running around with n!ggaz who nowhere near as skilled as where i come from.
art barr
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
n!gga you got a fake toy list. that looks exactly like you just started listening to rap in 96.
plus real talk,.....factually before sohh you never listened to nuffin but pac.
till you got clowned so bad. you started trying to revise your history to save face on some phoney sh!t...
you not fooling nobody,..you are a toy, n!gga!!
that is why your thread get no sold and ignored and your post are always laughed and made a mockery of right in your fukking face.
you only put those other rappers on there to save face,..your knowledge base is the worst in the coli, sohh and internet ghetto blaster posting history.
art barr
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
Art Barr,
Why don't you think Cam'ron is top 5? He paid his underground dues with Big L and COC. Created a movement that is still felt as I type this. C'mon OG Art Barr
cam fits into the skillsets or impact provided by the seven and had to use those skillsets to get where he is.
case in point:
ll & bdk tied at three
g rap at five
finesse at seven
in that situation cam has not done anything on any plane
to supercede that group that took his skillset to dominance, that predate him by a decade for starters easy.
as he is in the smooth fly spitter realm of bdk and ll,..but can't really make a record like i need love. yet he can make a knockoff of bdk's the day you're mine but decades later it isn't more skilled.
when it comes to g rap and finesse he uses g rap's and the lineage of big l/finesse's skill rubrick.
yet he was not ever as skilled upon debut as them and really has not surpassed them. when you take into account how much skill finesse and g rap have ramped up in.
cam just doesn't have the timeline or originality to trump them.
plus cam in coc was heavily a ghostface/g rsp/eight is enough guy.
he did not have a skillset early on that was original.
that could hang with and outdo any legendary contemporaries early on.
like cam could not have had a stalemate agaisnt percee p,...when finesse did i. that era with original skills.
also,...cam has not outclassed all his contrmporaries on another coast like g rap did in one shot in that era as well. where skills were more open to free interpretation. similiar to how g rap clearly shows he is heads and shoulders above every so-called gangster rapper pioneer on two to the head.
plus put on a skill exhibition where he clowns kane so bad on number one with a bullet.
on the same album plus provides records on par as his westcoast contrmporaries over their style of production.
it was the last time,...the arguement of who was better was settled between kane and g rap.
originally kane was better and provided so much more than g rap in full content and skill.
that by the time number one with a bullet dropped,...kane was dead as a relevent skills guy.
no knock on him all time after the fact,...because then the shelf life was not typically long for skilled emcees.
in that regard cam never was so profound in skill that allowed him to supercede big l's legscy all time.
nor did he add on to the skillset in such a way that he trumpd big l as his mentor.
plus cam never made as many classics in a row from his debut, as kane is given credit for.
nor is his debut better than big l's that was released in the wrong era becauee of delays. as big l's record if it dropped in 93 like it was supposed to .
would have changed the game way before it finally did later on.
plus cam in comparison to g rap never made four lp's in a row as g rap did.
also finesse, bdk, ll, were argueably given props as some of the best or possible goat talent level emcee wise when they first dropped.
cam was not doing anything skillwise to uproot the skills and impact of the seven.
which is why he isn't ranked as a goat.
no rapper will come out to trump the seven as they did everything you could possibly do in rap to the fullest. in a skilled way no one else can uproot or supply better in history.
the seven:
1 : krs
2 : rakim
3 tie : ll / bdk
4 : melle mel
5 ; g rwp
6 : caz
7 : finesse
art barr
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Don Dada F Poppa
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KILLA! fukk all you other nikkas opinions, Cam'ron the GOAT of this rap shyt. Ask a kid if he wanna be like Rass Kass or one of them other nikkas, they gonna give you the 
Grano-Grano
The Bando
KILLA! fukk all you other nikkas opinions, Cam'ron the GOAT of this rap shyt. Ask a kid if he wanna be like Rass Kass or one of them other nikkas, they gonna give you the
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
along with being a top two battle record of all time.
it is so far ahead of what anyone else could do and so advsnced. it mixes advanced skills with olschool sentiments better than almost any rap record you could find.
record is phuck'n still crazy as hell.
just mastery of skills in melody, cadence, writing, production, execution.
even chemistry between the members of the group. where they all have contrasting styles but you never feel a weak link.
although foxx wrote the whole record.
crazy as hell,...display of skill no one really had gotten a chamce to show but krs and a few others.
record is untouched,..only reason i rate bridge is over higher.
is because of what the bridge is over signified and solidified in change of old school to new school as a definate.
plus the history it kept relevent in where the culture originated.
along with being powerful enough to fully dispatch shan, and marginalize marley marl .
before the next juice crew explosion with kane, saved them as a collective.
after basically being a worldwide culture lengthening draw during rhe rozanne wars.
which was the first largest battle extensive worldwide draw for rap in history.
the roxanne battles was how rap became a real known nationwide phenomenon that made skills branch out.
as every city had a roxanne that shante would dispatch. which is why it was effectively called the roxanne wars. every city's roxanne was typically on bitness too.
from looks to skills and this is also where looks started to play a part in female rappers careers as well.
i sill remember all the roxanne wars competitions to get to face shante or the pretty roxanne too.
plus how big a deal on the radio it was,..as back then rap was not played.
the roxanne wars was like the first primetime radio slot for rap back then.
i still remember listening to them, on bmx too.
so for the bridge is over to squelch the draw from that,...i have to give it the nod over biters..
that is the only reason i give it the nod over biters, too.
art barr
Big Mel
@bigboss
Roxanne Roxanne, Sparkys turn, the real Roxanne, Roxanne's revenge, roxannes a man, no more Roxxane etc.
there was like 50 Roxanne answers.
there was like 50 Roxanne answers.
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
i still wonder if anyone knows the lineage of all the roxanne's and the records.
it has to be one of the most confusing boom periods in rap history.
art barr