Self_Born7
SUN OF MAN
i'll write in cynthia mckinney...
If Bernie doesn't get the nod how are you voting (POLL)
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Maybe Trump. Depending on how much he scales it back during the primary. He doesn't need to win the hearts of the retards at that point. Not Hillary though for damn sure
88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
I honestly have no interest in talking to you about politics your grasp is infantile in my eyes.
I won't be voting for Hillary as much as I'll be voting against Trump.
One, by most non-partisan sources, Trump is one of the least informed and/or most dishonest candidates of my life time. Yes, even more than Hillary Clinton. I know politicians lie just like I know water is wet. But at least I know Clinton has experience in politics, allies in Washington that will be willing to work with her to put forth liberal policies, is relatively knowledgeable about history and American-Middle East relations. She's a bit hawkish for my tastes, but Trump has not shown me he's very knowledgeable or given many issues much thought other than "America's the best", "I'm going to destroy ISIS", "Everything Obama has done has been a disaster". He speaks like a child, and would generally be an embarrassment to me as our leader.
Also his ideas sort of contradict, and I don't feel like he has a coherent vision for America's future. He wants to increase military spending, but thinks it was a big mistake to go into Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria, and would only use military in extreme cases? Okay...but our military budget already dwarfs every other country, why spend even more to use it less? Exactly what circumstance would provoke him to use the military? He doesn't want to increase taxes to pay for this spending, but says the national debt is a huge problem? So....how exactly are we going to pay for his tax cuts? He thinks abortions should be made illegal, but planned parenthood provides great services, and had no idea what a reasonable punishment would be for performing them.
And I have no reason to believe he will do anything to really change the system for the better in terms of things like health care, the war on drugs, or campaign finance reform. People always bring up his wealth as if that means he is incorruptible. Hello! He, and people like him, directly benefits from a system in which the wealthy wields a disproportionate amount of influence on our leaders. What possible incentive does Trump have to change that? A Trump presidency would be inviting the fox into the hen house.
One, by most non-partisan sources, Trump is one of the least informed and/or most dishonest candidates of my life time. Yes, even more than Hillary Clinton. I know politicians lie just like I know water is wet. But at least I know Clinton has experience in politics, allies in Washington that will be willing to work with her to put forth liberal policies, is relatively knowledgeable about history and American-Middle East relations. She's a bit hawkish for my tastes, but Trump has not shown me he's very knowledgeable or given many issues much thought other than "America's the best", "I'm going to destroy ISIS", "Everything Obama has done has been a disaster". He speaks like a child, and would generally be an embarrassment to me as our leader.
Also his ideas sort of contradict, and I don't feel like he has a coherent vision for America's future. He wants to increase military spending, but thinks it was a big mistake to go into Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria, and would only use military in extreme cases? Okay...but our military budget already dwarfs every other country, why spend even more to use it less? Exactly what circumstance would provoke him to use the military? He doesn't want to increase taxes to pay for this spending, but says the national debt is a huge problem? So....how exactly are we going to pay for his tax cuts? He thinks abortions should be made illegal, but planned parenthood provides great services, and had no idea what a reasonable punishment would be for performing them.
And I have no reason to believe he will do anything to really change the system for the better in terms of things like health care, the war on drugs, or campaign finance reform. People always bring up his wealth as if that means he is incorruptible. Hello! He, and people like him, directly benefits from a system in which the wealthy wields a disproportionate amount of influence on our leaders. What possible incentive does Trump have to change that? A Trump presidency would be inviting the fox into the hen house.
the most important takeaway from this election, is to what degree these 'parties'answer to the people. i cant reward whillary and debbie wasserman scust for this election process
I don't understand what you mean here. Clinton won the popular vote in most states, and got a proportion of the delegates based on that, did she not? The superdelegates are aligning with the will of the people, so exactly what problem do you have with the Democrat primary process?
Piff Perkins
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Nah, business cycle ensures both parties will be up and down. But I think demographics are going to result in republicans facing what democrats faced in the 1970s-1980s and early 90s before Clinton.
The party's favorables are trash and nearly every demographic dislikes them nationally. Trump being the nominee allows democrats to paint them as racist sexists for years. Imagine being a ten year old Hispanic kid today. Your concept of republicans is Trump. That won't change in 8 years when you're old enough to vote.
Hillary had the super delegates long before the people could vote.
Also, the democratic party played dirty this whole primary.
Yeah, but you don't think they would have changed if the people began supporting Sanders? Wasn't that precisely what happened in 2008?
Have the super delegates supporting Clinton in the states Sanders won switched?
My Congressional Rep. here in Washington flat out told people he wasn't changing his vote from Hillary under any circumstances. Bernie won 75% of the fukking state.
That son of a bytch is getting primaried this November and I'm voting for the Progressive who's challenging him.
Mr.Big Meat McGee
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The Clintons already shytted on Haitians and African Americans in the 90s.
And they're going to do it again ( even harder ) in the late 10s.
And they're going to do it again ( even harder ) in the late 10s.
fukk I don't wanna vote for trump 
If I were trump I would be trying to convince Bernie to run third party
We said that in 2008. The fact is, politics is local. That image only hurts nationally. Locally, you're good. Besides, all you have to do is disavow Trump. Most of them have already.
It was perceived policy weaknesses (soft on crime) and backlash to the civil rights movement that hurt Dems before Clinton at the presidential level. But they still held Congress throughout that time. And under Clinton they (Rs) held Congress despite his popularity. Republicana are not going anywhere. If Mitt Romney was their candidate this year, Hillary would lose. They come back in 2020 with a "moderate" that their base likes. National party favorables mean nothing.