If ADOS Was Granted It's Own Territory Right Now, How Would That Play Out?

[African Peasant]

And you think those rebels are going to go quietly without causing chaos? Like wtf? And asking for a dictator is freaking retarded imo. "Benevolent dictators" are only good for developing countries with weak ass institutions to keep shyt in line. Like Iraq, Libya, Cuba or China(I know its not technically developing but you get my point). Hell Haiti needs a "benevolent dictator." But an ADOS nation? No....

You're telling a group of people who NEVER lived under a dictatorship that its a good idea. ADOS people don't even believe in authoritarianism but the opposite. Do you know how left that will go? If anything an ADOS nation should imitate the South Korean govt.
Government of South Korea - Wikipedia

All players in the ADOS nation will be kept in check. Black Bourgeoisie get into power(like we see with many African nations sadly) is due to weak ass institutions. Like I said ADOS have the educational capital to resist such things. Also who knows? Infrastructure may even develop fast enough to further resist such things.

You either anticipate the chaos by crushing violent elements or you let it install itself.

South Korea got everything installed by a military dictatorship, then dip into democracy later on.

ADOS country will have weak institutions because ADOS never totally ruled themselves. It will be a new country. You're acting like it will the US or a black version of it. Nope. It will be a total new experience with all the political instability and political opportunism those situations create.

 

[skokiaan]

It’s not that bad when those groups still have the same roots and still have family in the South. The regionalism is not stronger than the roots they come from.

considering the current American mentality is based on capitalism/ making ur own first...the attitude will quickly change against others..the same way we have dictators in africa..people always mention "code"...we simply don't got it or are not willing to risk everything to obtain/learn it

 

[invalid]

Now what about Booker T Washington and others like him? Lol

Booker T isn't a good example at all. He was a different side of the same talented tenth coin.

All of the women he married were passe blancs.

Then the technical education for which he so championed for the black race, he did not espouse for his own family.

He regularly courted elite socialites like the one you just quoted, Josephine Willson Bruce, to come down and be administrators and educators at Tuskegee. Josephine was the highest ranking socialite in Washington DC and her going down to Tuskegee brought social cachet to the school.

And just like Josephine, who sent her son up to Phillips Exeter Academy and Harvard, he sent his children up to New England to receive classical educations at places like Wellesley and Bates College of which his daughter was the first black to graduate from.

He talked so much shyt about black elites and their classical education and didn't even hold himself and his family to the technical education for which he espoused for "the other blacks".

He did a lot of things but he was no different from other black elites of his time of which he viewed himself squarely apart of.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

like some brehs have said..corruption will be heavy..can't even handle the internet finesse by "woke" brehs..look at the state of majority black cities..gang worship..Liberia was sort of an island tho not really one but it failed...the state would fail breh...even if it thrived America will come to collect or destroy

There is no country on this Earth without corruption. No offense but this post reeks of low-esteem. And I already addressed why Liberia failed which I do not need to address. You seem to believe Black people are incapable of running a nation.

Okay? You point to many poor ass ADOS cities I can raise that and point to many successful ones. But I don't even need to go into depth. As for these "woke brehs"? An ADOS nation DESERVES to fail if we allow Dr. Umar Johnson and Tariq Nasheed to be in charge. But based on how us ADOS people vote we know who is and who isn't competent in terms of government experience. Even though we do vote against our best interests for people like Biden. But point is regardless of whether I like Biden(I don't) he has governmental experience. So did Obama(again don't like him). So how do you think a Tariq Nasheed or Umar are going to even be given governmental power? The two don't even know the basics of govt nor would they even want that position.

As for Gang worship? I never knew Black government officials, Black businessmen and Black scientists worship gangs. The people who are the most relevant in deciding the future of the nation. "Gang worship" is only a small subculture in ADOS culture and mostly embedded in impoverished communities. Either way that can be contained with competent law enforcement this time around.

As for America? This ain't the cold war anymore. The most the USA will do is try and bend us to their influence or throw sanctions at us if we do something wild like clique up with Russia, China, iran or any other of the USA's adversaries.

 

[The Fade]

If you crush them, there is no instability.

In order to make the ADOS country a viable nation, some harsh decisions need to be taken. And only a dictator can do it.

A liberal democracy, on the contrary, will create a perpetual state of instability with different groups fighting to push their agendas.

Without a dictator in the beginning at least to keep everyone in check, the country will either fall between the hands of the black bourgeoisie or fall into a civil war.

I think a liberal republic would have to do.

The problem with dictators.. especially right leaning ones is that they perpetually keep the haze of war. Like Pinochet

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Booker T isn't a good example at all. He was a different side of the same talented tenth coin.

All of the women he married were passe blancs.

Then the technical education for which he so championed for the black race, he did not espouse for his own family.

He regularly courted elite socialites like the one you just quoted, Josephine Willson Bruce, to come down and be administrators and educators at Tuskegee. Josephine was the highest ranking socialite in Washington DC and her going down to Tuskegee brought social cachet to the school.

And just like Josephine, who sent her son up to Phillips Exeter Academy and Harvard, he sent his children up to New England to receive classical educations at places like Wellesley and Bates College of which his daughter was the first black to graduate from.

He talked so much shyt about black elites and their classical education and didn't even hold himself and his family to the technical education for which he espoused for "the other blacks".

He did a lot of things but he was no different from other black elites of his time of which he viewed himself squarely apart of.

Now what about Black Wall street? lol Let me guess? Filled with elitist mulattoes too?

 

[Black Nate Grey]

It would take a massive cultural shift in order to be successful. ADOS will not like this but Nigerians and their focus on education and success is a good place to look towards. Every Nigerian I meet in the West is in school to be or is currently a Doctor or any type of Engineer, it's insane. I'm pretty sure they are among the most educated and successful immigrant group to America.

The way things stand it would be a disaster. Black people are not in a position for this right now, more or less last place in every relevant metric, education, health, financial literacy, etc.
Dependence on the government would have to be weaned off.

Would need a cultural paradigm shift to be successful, the way things currently stand? No way it would work.

If you were talking about Black People, around MLK's time, ironically, I think it would work better. It seems that Black Intellectuals (No, Tariq is not one.) don't really exist anymore, while back then they were in abundance, despite the insane amount of oppression they faced from white people and the government.
Especially with a Malcolm X mentality. Would need that to have the will to have a military.

It will need a benevolent dictator.

A liberal democracy, on the contrary, will create a perpetual state of instability with different groups fighting to push their agendas.

Without a dictator in the beginning at least to keep everyone in check, the country will either fall between the hands of the black bourgeoisie or fall into a civil war

Imo, African Countries need these kinds of figures more.
More Sankaras, don't necessarily have to be socialist, would be good for Africa. Up until they can get them to a level where literacy and education is high, infrastructure exists, rights are enforced for all demographics (or in this case everyone is oppressed equally lol). Then let them move on to Social Democracy.

Alternatively, they could model, China in some respects. They lifted their people out of poverty and are now the 2nd most powerful country in the world.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Facts my G

I’m thinking that the Boule would have standing and backing from Washington. That’s why I brought them up. Of course they couldn’t do shyt by themselves. That’s also why i tried to specifically state in the case of mulattos that Being biracial in of itself isn’t a problem. But if you specifically adhere to certain norms aNd ideals then it’s a problem. If the pentagon backs your opposition then it’s attrition dealing with them forever.

That’s why I’m saying to immediately replace any old elite systems with a new one we ourselves write. So that we have control

Depending on how organized we are, and if anyone backs us and if those who back us want controlled blocks in our shyt and etc. ultimately determines how I will move.

It also depends how old I am lol

Yea they have the backing from Washington but they will remain in power if we only allow them. This time they won't be able to hide behind "we're oppressed like you guys."

 

[K.O.N.Y]

Why does staying on code matter when we have our own territory? There will be no competition with outside groups for allocation of resources.

the ability to stay on code comes before anything

 

[African Peasant]

I think a liberal republic would have to do.

The problem with dictators.. especially right leaning ones is that they perpetually keep the haze of war. Like Pinochet

What do you call a liberal republic. A system like the one in the US right now?

I'm not advocating for a cruel, bloodthirsty, war maniac.

 

[The Fade]

There is no country on this Earth without corruption. No offense but this post reeks of no low-esteem. And I already addressed why Liberia failed which I do not need to address. You seem to believe Black people are incapable of running a nation.

Okay? You point to many poor ass ADOS cities I can raise that and point to many successful ones. But I don't even need to go into depth. As for these "woke brehs"? An ADOS nation DESERVES to fail if we allow Dr. Umar Johnson and Tariq Nasheed to be in charge. But based on how us ADOS people vote we know who is and who isn't competent in terms of government experience. Even though we do vote against our best interests for people like Biden. But point is regardless of whether I like Biden(I don't) he has governmental experience. So did Obama(again don't like him). So how do you think a Tariq Nasheed or Umar are going to even be given governmental power? The two don't even know the basics of govt nor would they even want that position.

As for Gang worship? I never knew Black government officials, Black businessmen and Black scientists worship gangs. The people who are the most relevant in deciding the future of the nation. "Gang worship" is only a small subculture in ADOS culture and mostly embedded in impoverished communities. Either way that can be contained with competent law enforcement this time around.

As for America? This ain't the cold war anymore. The most the USA will do is try and bend us to their influence or throw sanctions at us if we do something wild like clique up with Russia, China, iran or any other of the USA's adversaries.

It’s tricky. I think as long as we have legislators and emphasis on legislation in the right time and place we would be good to go

 

[skokiaan]

. No offense but this post reeks of no low-esteem

Not about that..Sometimes you have to be truthful to urself..us black people don't have that savage in our dna..as the first man we are the parent in this world..cacs are the children/sibling that's willing to sacrifice his brother to gain power..that's why they are winning and always been winning...until we revert to that no nonsense approach we got no chance...and to be fair we are a few hundred years behinD. .look what they did to stubborn Japan less than 100 years ago

 

[Robo Squirrel]

Boule nikkas would act like the ruling class of Africa, mis-managing the country with nepotism and self enriching deals that are harmful to the country as a whole. There would be third world level of poverty as a result and cartel level of violence from gangs who would become cartels with an underfunded police force and military.

Damn. This is what I was thinking.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

You either anticipate the chaos by crushing violent elements or you let it install itself.

South Korea got everything installed by a military dictatorship, then dip into democracy later on.

Now why did they leave military dictatorship? Now what about Botswana which has not military dictatorship history as far as I can remember. And has strong govt institutions? But more importantly ADOS are not use to that type of govt. It would be chaos and stagnate growth.

ADOS country will have weak institutions because ADOS never totally ruled themselves. It will be a new country. You're acting like it will the US or a black version of it. Nope. It will be a total new experience with all the political instability and political opportunism those situations create.

Doesn't matter if they never "ruled themselves." They have experience in government from governing cities like Atlanta, DC, Detroit(bad govt practices), Houston, New Orleans, Charlotte, etc, etc.

And yes it will basically be like the Black version of the US because that's the type of govt we will imitate because its the one we're USE TO. Thinking otherwise is insane. Thinking ADOS will want a benevolent dictatorship is even more insane no matter how "benevolent" he is. Hell, ADOS wouldn't even want a freaking John Magufuli of Tanzania and I think he's doing a GOOD job.

 

[invalid]

the ability to stay on code comes before anything

That's been stated already.

I'm asking for what ends?

The purpose of staying on code now is for gathering resources and power.

If we were granted a region where we can be self-autonomous and develop our own resources, we've just acquired for ourselves the two biggest reasons for staying on code.

We would need need to look for other reasons and that's what I am asking. What other reasons benefit us from staying on code after we acquire power for ourselves and resources?