If ADOS Was Granted It's Own Territory Right Now, How Would That Play Out?

[invalid]

Free People of Colors ADOS generally speaking at that time DID NOT want any parts of that. They knew it was some racist sh1t to send them packing and weaken enslaved ADOS of representation

Whether they didn't want to go to Liberia or not because of racist southern planters who hijacked a resettlement movement for their own racist purposes does not negate from the fact that, previous to that, there had been blacks who both entertained and put in work to resettle west africa of their own volition. Cuffe and Forten were the wealthiest black men in Boston and Philadelphia at the time. The above source that you cite shows that Forten initially supported the movement. But he wasn't the only one. Cuffe had the support of multiple prominent black leaders. The tide for support turned in the opposite direction when southerners coopted the movement which caused free blacks to have to oppose the movement on principal.

Cuffe became interested in the possibility of freed slaves’ returning to Africa. He thus embarked on efforts to establish settlements on Africa’s west coast and to develop trade routes to the area. In 1811 he founded the Friendly Society of Sierra Leone and subsequently sailed there. Later that year he journeyed to England, where he met with British abolitionists and sought support for his resettlement plans; he eventually secured a land grant. In 1812 Cuffe returned to the United States, at which time his cargo was seized on charges that he broke the 1807 Embargo Act, which restricted imports from Great Britain. Cuffe traveled to Washington, D.C., where he met with U.S. Pres. James Madison, who ordered the release of his cargo. Cuffe continued to advocate for his colonization plans, and he initially gained support from a number of African American leaders. In December 1815 Cuffe and 38 black settlers sailed for Sierra Leone, and they landed in February 1816. He returned to the United States later that year and sought backing for another voyage. However, his health soon began to decline, and he died the following year. He wrote Memoir of Captain Paul Cuffee (1811)

 

[dj-method-x]

lol @ all these grown ass c00n ass nikkas in here that would rather stay up under the control and comfort that white zaddy provides (LOL) and don't feel "ready" to run our own shyt. The coli is PATHETIC.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Whether they didn't want to go to Liberia or not because of racist southern planters who hijacked a resettlement movement for their own racist purposes does not negate from the fact that, previous to that, there had been blacks who both entertained and put in work to resettle west africa of their own volition. Cuffe and Forten were the wealthiest black men in Boston and Philadelphia at the time. The above source that you cite shows that Forten initially supported the movement. But he wasn't the only one. Cuffe had the support of multiple prominent black leaders. The tide for support turned in the opposite direction when southerners coopted the movement which caused free blacks to have to oppose the movement on principal.

Cuffe's "Back To Africa" predates associated with the Liberia.

 

[invalid]

Cuffe's "Back To Africa" predates associated with the Liberia.

I know that. That was my point.

Prior to the American Colonization Society, there was general support of recolonization among free blacks.

Paul Cuffee laid the groundwork.

The American Colonization Society ran with his framework. They even sought ought and consulted with Cuffe who initially gave them his blessing.

That's all I was saying. That prior to Liberia, seeds were already being planted for recolonization.

The ACS and resulting Liberian state were the fruits of an earlier movement that was hijacked from Cuffee.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Looking strictly at the past, I think you underestimate how deep blue veinism was entrenched. I've spotlighted a very prominent black wall street family on here already.

Black Wall Street in Tulsa had nothing to do with blue veinism. The main founder (bolded below) wasn't of that type

1. O.W. Gurley was a wealthy Black landowner, born to former enslaved Africans, who traveled the United States to take part in the Oklahoma Land Grab of 1889.
2. The young businessman resigned from a presidential appointment under then-president Grover Cleveland to venture out and found his own town.
3. In 1906, Gurley moved to Tulsa, Oklahoma where he bought 40 acres of land that was only allowed to be sold to Black folks.
4. One of Gurley’s first businesses was a rooming house which was built along a dusty trail near the railroad tracks. This road would later become Greenwood Ave. of the legendary Black Wall Street.
5. Adding to the rooming house, Gurley went on to build three two-story buildings and five residential homes. He also purchased an 80-acre farm in nearby Rogers County.
6. The entrepreneur later founded a church, today known as Vernon AME Church.
7. By 1913, more businesses began springing up in Gurley’s Greenwood district, including hotels, law and doctor’s offices, cafes, pharmacies, barbershops, movie theaters and hair salons. Eventually, there were hundreds of businesses, all were Black-owned and operated.
8. Greenwood’s unpaved roads served as Tulsa’s racial division lines and African-Americans flocked to the thriving city to escape racial prejudice elsewhere.

 

[invalid]

Black Wall Street in Tulsa had nothing to do with blue veinism. The main founder (bolded below) wasn't of that type

When you think about it, most of all the wealthiest black men in the history of the country weren't of the type but 80% of their families got subsumed into blue veinism. Binga, Whipper, Forten, Stradford, all of them were not high born men with fair features but whose families were distinctly part of the group. When you look at pictures of old elite DC social clubs like the Bachelor Benedict's, not everyone was fair skin. But you can bet they all bought into broader middle class bourgeois ideas of ambition, education, self-sufficiency and wealth building. That's what I primarily mean by blue veinism, not exactly the specific physical attribute even though that is how it is identified.

JB Stradford of Black Wall Street's Stradford Hotel and Stradford Library

His great granddaughter..

 

[Cynic]

Are we ready?

Would we have a just an equal society?

What type of government would we impose?

Who would be the archetypical leader?

What would happen to our other historical institutions, like HBCUs in other parts of the country?

It would be undermined the same way they did to Haiti and every black Republic

Any leaders who acted in ADOS interests would be killed off or sanctioned for not falling in line.
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Why do you act as if you don't know who you are dealing with ?

 

[IllmaticDelta]

When you think about it, most of all the wealthiest black men in the history of the country weren't of the type but 80% of their families got subsumed into blue veinism. Binga, Whipper, Forten, Stradford, all of them were not high born men with fair features but whose families were distinctly part of the group. When you look at pictures of old elite DC social clubs like the Bachelor Benedict's, not everyone was fair skin. But you can bet they all bought into broader middle class bourgeois ideas of ambition, education, self-sufficiency and wealth building. That's what I primarily mean by blue veinism, not exactly the specific physical attribute even though that is how it is identified.

yeah, you basically mean "elite" types but there really was a physical blue veinism in those old DC social circles

JB Stradford of Black Wall Street's Stradford Hotel and Stradford Library

His great granddaughter..

Yeah, I knew of him but he was just part of the normal phenotypical diversity; not because of some paper bag type membership lol. Buck Franklin was a lawyer there (John Hope Franklin's father)

 

[LiveFromLondon]

Considering this place wouldn't be on the American continent, would "Yall" want to move away from white people "yall" claim "yall" hate and good ole Amerikuuuuh

 

[010101]

humans particularly men are naturally antagonistic amongst ourselves peace only comes when they return your body to the earth*

 

[ArKane24]

Personally the ADOS community deserves the states of

-Georgia
-South Carolina
-North Carolina
-Mississippi
-Louisiana
-Alabama

For historical and cultural reasons and based on the Black population by numbers, it would also be a country with access to the Atlantic and the Gulf of Mexico without stepping on the rest of the United States toes

I dont know where that would leave Florida tho

Add Arkansas and Tennessee to that list. We need all of our land, in full.

 

[Ahmen]

Are we ready?

Would we have a just an equal society?

What type of government would we impose?

Who would be the archetypical leader?

What would happen to our other historical institutions, like HBCUs in other parts of the country?

See the best and worst of Baltimore, Chicago and ATL.

 

[invalid]

Considering this place wouldn't be on the American continent, would "Yall" want to move away from white people "yall" claim "yall" hate and good ole Amerikuuuuh

I think many folks misunderstood the thread. This place would be a region in the US that was self-autonomous but still ensconced in the USA. I gave DC as an example since DC is not under the jurisdiction of a state. A better example would be something like the Vatican. Granted, I'm not talking about a city but a whole region that operates similar to the Vatican.

 

[invalid]

Yeah, I knew of him but he was just part of the normal phenotypical diversity; not because of some paper bag type membership

Lol, I think you misunderstood the point that I was making. Or I am misinterpreting your response.

Either way, I didn't know John Hope Franklin was tied to Tulsa. Good drop.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Lol, I think you misunderstood the point that I was making. Or I am misinterpreting your response.

Either way, I didn't know John Hope Franklin was tied to Tulsa. Good drop.

when you said "Blue Veinism" I thought you were referring to phenotypes of the people at Black Wall St (that's what it usually means in ADOS context) but you clarified that you're speaking more in social/class/ideals, sense.