Idaho Repub introduces bill requiring every high schoolers to read Atlas Shrugged

[Brown_Pride]

Ironically Anton LeVay admitted that Rand's philosophy is the blueprint for his Satanic Bible. I was just talking about that in another thread.

lol oh he actually said it? I've always assumed.

Make sense though.

Conservative Bible Project - Conservapedia

 

[GetInTheTruck]

So what? Kids are forced to read a lot shyt they may not want to in school.

 

[Jello Biafra]

I have always been bewildered with how so many Republicans claim to have developed their conservative philosophy from reading Atlas Shrugged yet they all seem towillfully ignore one of the most basic tenet's of Rand's objectisim philosophy, namely the concept of individual rights. Or they completely b*stardize it and maintain that the idea of individual rights only applies to specific conservative ideas.

 

[Type Username Here]

I have always been bewildered with how so many Republicans claim to have developed their conservative philosophy from reading Atlas Shrugged yet they all seem towillfully ignore one of the most basic tenet's of Rand's objectisim philosophy, namely the concept of individual rights. Or they completely b*stardize it and maintain that the idea of individual rights only applies to specific conservative ideas.

These are the same people who are supposedly Christian, yet ignore the calls for Non-violence and the calls to sell all possessions to feed the poor in order to get to heaven.

It's no wonder that many Conservative Whites are turning to Mormonism en masse.

 

[alybaba]

This would fall under cruel and unusual punishment since Rand is a horrible writer.

 

[The Real]

So what? Kids are forced to read a lot shyt they may not want to in school.

That's true, but usually even the things they don't want to read are highly regarded and meet some kind of standard of quality. I didn't like all the books I read in school, but I would never claim that the ones I hated were anywhere near as bad as Atlas Shrugged.

 

[Jello Biafra]

That's true, but usually even the things they don't want to read are highly regarded and meet some kind of standard of quality. I didn't like all the books I read in school, but I would never claim that the ones I hated were anywhere near as bad as Atlas Shrugged.

Your (or my own) personal criticism of the quality of Atlas Shrugged doesn't disqualify the book from possibly being considered to be a classic piece of American literature just based on the influential nature of the book.
I wouldn't be opposed to students reading it in an American Lit class or even being discussed as part of a class dealing with philosophy or political science.

 

[The Real]

Your (or my own) personal criticism of the quality of Atlas Shrugged doesn't disqualify the book from possibly being considered to be a classic piece of American literature just based on the influential nature of the book.
I wouldn't be opposed to students reading it in an American Lit class or even being discussed as part of a class dealing with philosophy or political science.

What constitutes a classic? This book had no real large-scale impact on the American political landscape. Its appeal has always been restricted to a tiny minority. On top of that, it is almost universally considered low quality from a stylistic standpoint. There are much better books out that that can cover much of the same political territory.

 

[Type Username Here]

Your (or my own) personal criticism of the quality of Atlas Shrugged doesn't disqualify the book from possibly being considered to be a classic piece of American literature just based on the influential nature of the book.
I wouldn't be opposed to students reading it in an American Lit class or even being discussed as part of a class dealing with philosophy or political science.

Rand is the devil around here because of Objectivism and how the modern day GOP clings to it.

She was a good philosopher, even if I vehemently disagree with her. Hell, I'm on the total opposite of political spectrum as she is. I still think she might be right on a couple of things, but I haven't reached too deep with her stuff aside from the Atlas Shrugged, which was mediocre at best when it comes to the writing.

I'm not into "throw her philosophy" into the bushes mentality. It should be read, criticized and correct. Like it or not, Rand's brand of Capitalism and morality is basically running the world. If we wish to change it, we must first understand it. There were somethings I didn't understand at first, but I started getting deeper into her shyt.

I feel the same way when Americans just openly dismiss Marxism as evil and taboo.

 

[Jello Biafra]

What constitutes a classic? This book had no real large-scale impact on the American political landscape. Its appeal has always been restricted to a tiny minority. On top of that, it is almost universally considered low quality from a stylistic standpoint.

It has had a large scale impact on the philosophical bent of two of the legitimate political parties in the US; it is still being read by new readers over 50 years after it was published. The book has been influential, that isn't really a point that can be argued.
Personally I am not a fan of the book and think that the Fountainhead was a much better piece of work from Rand but I can't dismiss the cultural influence of Atlas Shrugged.

 

[Type Username Here]

What constitutes a classic? This book had no real large-scale impact on the American political landscape. Its appeal has always been restricted to a tiny minority. On top of that, it is almost universally considered low quality from a stylistic standpoint. There are much better books out that that can cover much of the same political territory.

Not in politics, but definitely Political Philosophy. Rand pretty much did the most thorough rebuking of Marxism and Marxist ideals. In fact, Objectivism can be in a way described as the total opposite of Marxism.

Still don't think they should make kids read a subpar book though.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

Rand isn't as influential in the US as something like say, Locke, but definitely a book with a lot of impact. hell it continues to have an impact. How many philosophy titles get silver screen adaptations? You could even argue that it was partially adapted into a game with Bioshock. At my alma mater every business school person is expected to read Atlas Shrugged, and it is definitely still popular among younger persons.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

how can a republican even love ayn rand and jesus at the same time?

Republicans are especially adept at abstracting material that endorses their worldview, while pushing ideas that conflict to their dispositions to the margins, even when they derive from the same source. How do you think they got through the bible in the first place?

Positioning the businessman/executive as a heroic figure, who succeeds only through superior traits and qualities, while also turning altruistic impulses into a virtual sin are narratives that are far too delicious to ignore based on some lil quibble about Jesus. The way the modern conservative interprets the teachings of Jesus Christ, orients them to Randian economic and moral principals anyway. Atlas Shrugged is merely a shortcut to an ultimate goal.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

Rand is the devil around here because of Objectivism and how the modern day GOP clings to it.

She was a good philosopher, even if I vehemently disagree with her. Hell, I'm on the total opposite of political spectrum as she is. I still think she might be right on a couple of things, but I haven't reached too deep with her stuff aside from the Atlas Shrugged, which was mediocre at best when it comes to the writing.

I'm not into "throw her philosophy" into the bushes mentality. It should be read, criticized and correct. Like it or not, Rand's brand of Capitalism and morality is basically running the world. If we wish to change it, we must first understand it. There were somethings I didn't understand at first, but I started getting deeper into her shyt.

I feel the same way when Americans just openly dismiss Marxism as evil and taboo.

this. overall her philosophies disgust me but i think shes still worth reading if only so it helps you understand a great portion of the libertarians out there. i went to the American Private Enterprise Education conference last year in Vegas and it had a ton of people from the Ayn Rand institute. These guys were pretty much preachers during their alotted times to speak, crazy. Id say even disruptive in many of their panels. i went to one called "Rebutting Marx" and the minute this guys gets up to speak he starts yelling "MARX IS A MURDERER, MAKE NO MISTAKE" and then goes on to blame every single death in Communism as a premeditated acttion of Marx's. Later on i saw him get escorted out drunk because he was heckling Amartya Sen

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Say what you want about rand as a writer but her characters are dope and have tons of depth.

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