I think it's about time to get rid of "Face/Heel" dynamic

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Stories need a protagonist and an antagonist. In pro wrestling, where you're not going to be telling super complex, nuanced stories, having a simple good guy/bad guy dynamic is for the best. You can have some shades of grey, obviously. Especially if you want to make the story more compelling. That said, there's nothing wrong with faces/heels as a framing device.

The problem with WWE, as ever, is the quality of their storytelling. First, let's dispell this notion that WWE crowds are indignant smarks who only cheer heels. Off the top of my head, you got Naomi, Becky Lynch, The New Day, Shane McMahon, Daniel Bryan, Dean Ambrose, AJ Styles, Sasha Banks, Chris Jericho, Breezango, and Finn Balor as people currently playing babyface who get proper babyface reactions. Yes, the audience will start to cheer heels they find entertaining (The Miz and Kevin Owens are two big examples), but that's because they're entertained and appreciate good work.

The bigger problem is that so many modern babyfaces suck. They're all the same bland, Superman-lite character. Half the time, the reason the heels get cheered is that they're the one in the feud that has an actual personality the audience can grasp onto. Like, look at this feud between Apollo Crews and Elias Samson. What reason would I have to cheer for Apollo's bland ass over The Drifter? Because he's a face so I'm "supposed" to? fukk that.

You can most certainly write stories without a protagonist/antagonist. When Cena called Roman out for a fair one on one match, was Cena really an antagonist? At that level a match, you can make things decidedly neutral with two distinct characters whereas the audience choose its own rooting interest.
 

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You can most certainly write stories without a protagonist/antagonist. When Cena called Roman out for a fair one on one match, was Cena really an antagonist? At that level a match, you can make things decidedly neutral with two distinct characters whereas the audience choose its own rooting interest.
In the sense that he was the one who challenged Reigns? Yeah, he kinda was. I don't mean pro/antagonist in terms of good/bad, but rather the academic sense of a character (the protagonist) and force that moves against them/creates conflict and change (the antagonist). Cena started the conflict (and thus, the story); Cena is the antagonist.

My point was in that pro wrestling, the pro/antagonist structure usually happens in terms of good/bad because it's the easiest to do that in a genre where most stories are very simple. You're right it doesn't have to always be that way, though.
 

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the internet fully took over
Everyone's a smark
Like wwe don't even make mainstream news like tyson Austin or Billy Chuck wedding lol. Nobody believes into it anymore at all not even a little bit
And heels winning the belt and crowd chanting "you deserve it" says it all
 

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The face/heel dynamic is needed, it always has, is and will always be needed in pro wrestling, because you always need someone to cheer and do the right thing and you need someone to boo and do the wrong thing, because it is how we are programmed as a society. Whether it is following sports teams, liking or disliking a form of art, food, personal interactions, etc, they all have the same common face/heel issues, they will cause a positive or negative reactions in some form or another. Or have we just become a bunch of enablers and haters for the sake of doing and in fact have blurred the lines of good vs evil, which goes back to Adam & Eve vs Snake, Caveman vs Dinosaur, Cain vs Abel.

Now the Roman Reigns/John Cena issue where theyve been pushed in public as faces but the general consensus is they are booed and should be heels. Children and women alike like Reigns and Cena, while the older male fans do not, which if we think outside of the box and go beyond on wrestling, it isnt too dissimilar to that of Kaep & Trump positions at the moment, who are seen as both the hero and villain, in the public eye depending on who you ask.
Kaep is the only true babyface out of the 4, if enquiring minds really wanted to know

Or maybe :smugdraper: did have it right all along and society has become as he put it "The Universe is indifferent"
 
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