"I just know PBC won't work..his (haymon) money corrupts fighters like Thurman" - KATHY DUVA

[threattonature]

It's just a guess but I'm thinking their gameplan is to throw these different fights on the different networks to show them there is still money to made with boxing. So their hope is that one of the networks steps up to the plate to try and secure exclusivity.

 

[Jello Biafra]

Interesting insight

You can't pay fighters like Haymon is if they're not selling tickets and ad time. Haymon and the PBC have inflated fighters pay, so unless the PBC starts generating revenue, the entire system set up by Haymon will collapse; fighters won't accept lower purses, PBC won't be able to meet their expectations, they go under and the system collapses.

Duva is talking some basic economics.

Haymon studied econ at HARVARD.

I'm gonna go ahead and guess he's thought this out much further than Duva thinks.

For the sake of boxing I really want the PBC to succeed. But Haymon already seems to have a lot stacked against him.

I don't think there is much to think about. Haymon had to overpay guys in order to steal them away from their promoters and now he is in the middle of a calculated risk to hopefully get a return on the investment those hedge fund dudes gave him.
If things don't break Haymon's way he is going to be forced to change the way he does business with his clients. It will be unavoidable.

 

[Black Ball]

Interesting insight

You can't pay fighters like Haymon is if they're not selling tickets and ad time. Haymon and the PBC have inflated fighters pay, so unless the PBC starts generating revenue, the entire system set up by Haymon will collapse; fighters won't accept lower purses, PBC won't be able to meet their expectations, they go under and the system collapses.

Duva is talking some basic economics.

Haymon studied econ at HARVARD.

I'm gonna go ahead and guess he's thought this out much further than Duva thinks.

For the sake of boxing I really want the PBC to succeed. But Haymon already seems to have a lot stacked against him.

Haymon Co-manages a $40 Billion dollar fund, where him and his partners have pledged to invest like $425 Million into PBC(just 1% of their fund). They are prepared to lose every penny on some type shyt.

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/the-inside-story-of-how-al-haymon-and-partners-started-pbc.317882/

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Haymon's 2 biggest mistakes so far are the match ups and locations to some of these bouts.

Those 2 factors go a long way in helping to create lasting memorable fights with boxers that you want to turn into household names.

Too many ShoBox level fights masquerading as main event type bouts. With all of the boxers he has and with all of the air time he's bought, we should be having a FOTY candidate each month, but we're far from it.

 

[patscorpio]

Haymon's 2 biggest mistakes so far are the match ups and locations to some of these bouts.

Those 2 factors go a long way in helping to create lasting memorable fights with boxers that you want to turn into household names.

Too many ShoBox level fights masquerading as main event type bouts. With all of the boxers he has and with all of the air time he's bought, we should be having a FOTY candidate each month, but we're far from it.

Exactly..let's use this past weekend as an example. The best fight didn't come from PBC it came from golden boy and they barely had any advertising and it was on a channel that most ppl aren't aware they have. Al needs a match maker badly for it

 

[Mook]

Haymon's 2 biggest mistakes so far are the match ups and locations to some of these bouts.

Those 2 factors go a long way in helping to create lasting memorable fights with boxers that you want to turn into household names.

Too many ShoBox level fights masquerading as main event type bouts. With all of the boxers he has and with all of the air time he's bought, we should be having a FOTY candidate each month, but we're far from it.

Yeah I been saying this since PBC debuted. He's not cashing some of these bums out.

Doesn't matter if Adrian Broner is marketable, he sucks. He shoulda been cashed out against DG or Thurman. You paying 2-3 million a card you better have some fire in there.

For example, the ESPN card. Thurman should not be paid more than 300k for that shyt.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Exactly..let's use this past weekend as an example. The best fight didn't come from PBC it came from golden boy and they barely had any advertising and it was on a channel that most ppl aren't aware they have. Al needs a match maker badly for it

Yep, what's the point of all the great advertising if your main event is going to be Barthelemy/Demarco or Stevenson/Bika or (insert any random PBC bullshyt past main event)

We should have had

Swift/Broner
Thurman/Porter
Beterbeiev/Fonfara
Figeroua/Barthelemy or Demarco
Spence/Paulie

I could go on.

That one GB card killed PBC's whole weekend. You had a Heavyweight early KO, a contender vs a spoiler that turned out good, and then a title fight with 4 Knockdowns with back and forth action.

 

[GREENandYELLOW]

I agree, he has needed better locations to build in arena atmosphere (Porter-Broner) was an obvious Ohio bout. You can feel the energy on TV when an arena is hype.

I dont prefer his broadcast layout, but it is solid and professional.

The purses will be interesting. He obviously is overpaying. In the short term it makes sense, but can you make more or convince fighters to take less in the long term?

The advertising was a good point by Duva. That will be a hard one to crack to get enough as box in isnt the most advertising (commercial) friendly sport.

I think the long game has to be to get networks to finance the cards.

Sounds like Schaefer will join PBC in this fall, that should help with matchmaking.

And I do see the argument for oversaturation. He has a lot of fighters he wants to get TV time. It would probably be better to do less dates and increase the overall quality so each becomes a big event, pull in max numbers per broadcast rather than accumulate smaller numbers over many broadcasts.

 

[mr. smoke weed]

Interesting insight

You can't pay fighters like Haymon is if they're not selling tickets and ad time. Haymon and the PBC have inflated fighters pay, so unless the PBC starts generating revenue, the entire system set up by Haymon will collapse; fighters won't accept lower purses, PBC won't be able to meet their expectations, they go under and the system collapses.

Duva is talking some basic economics.

Haymon studied econ at HARVARD.

I'm gonna go ahead and guess he's thought this out much further than Duva thinks.

For the sake of boxing I really want the PBC to succeed. But Haymon already seems to have a lot stacked against him.

Dunno why some people are thinking so simple minded. Establish the stars rising stars and good fighters he has. That will take at least a year. Then after boxers seperate themselves as draws, they fight in PPVs...while in the process as establishing as legit with real heads (necessary to success in boxing), and a viable commercial entity. Nobody has had the capital, clout and creativity to try this in boxing before. Y'all need to give it some legit time, not 3 months reviews.

 

[mr. smoke weed]

Exactly..let's use this past weekend as an example. The best fight didn't come from PBC it came from golden boy and they barely had any advertising and it was on a channel that most ppl aren't aware they have. Al needs a match maker badly for it

Schaefer comes back in August. Lemieux N'dam was FOTY lol. If AB shows up that fight with porter could have been great.

 

[Axum Ezana]

put together better matches breh more frequently. he might need a person like arum that knows good match ups.

anyone know how much haymon worth by him self?

 

[blackestofpanthers]

All i know is @Mook better serve some kind of max ban when khan beats this nikka

 

[GzUp]

It boils down to the money... She mentioned fighters like Thurman will eventually ask for more money... A fighter like Thurman with bob would be making a killing right now.

 

[ChocolateGiddyUp]

The bytching bout how much money pbc fighters get makes no damn sense to me

AB jus got payed $1.3 Milly to fight Shawn Porter who made $1 milly... Reasonable purses

Swift got $1.5 milly to fight Peterson who got $1.2 Milly...again a reasonable purse

When Swift fought Salka N LSC fought his 89th ranked sparring partner they was paid under a million (again reasonable) N Swift did amazing tv numbers in that Salka fight all things considered

Now look at HBO paying Edwin Rodriguez $1 Milly to fight Ward

Bob payed The Mexican Hero $2.5 Milly to fight Bryan Vera



What am I missing here??

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

I wonder if Floyd mayweather is helping him fund these events?

Tua ...my Asiatic brother......your smarter than that...

HAYMON is the reason MAYWEATER changed his alias from "Pretty Boy Floyd" to Money Mayweather............

Dude had bread going back to the 70's..when he was booking national tours for artists like the Isleys , Maze and countess others...............

even the JACKSONS!!!

when Budweiser was looking to divest itself of it's Budweiser Superfest tour, and sell it to a minority owner because of pressure from activists like Jesse Jackson

he stepped up as the ONLY BLACK PROMOTER with the $$$ and know how to continue it's successful run

so successful was the run that he was able to do a joint venture with SFX ENTERAINTMENT now known as LIVE NATION as the head of it's urban tour division

he sold his company to LIVE NATON for a huge payout

and took that bread and got into the boxing game with a business model that got CHEAP CUMBUCKETS LIKE KATHY DUVA hating



and not only he gets them (CLIENTS) BREAD he also EMPOWERS them ...most of the fighters under him got their own PROMOTIONAL COMPANY...mayweather...broner etc.

something he been doing since his touring days when he gave SUGE KNIGHT his first job as a bodyguard on the superfest tours