I gotta get at J Cole

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Andrew Noz perfectly summed up what I think of J Cole

Well to provide a little context - I wrote that subtweet in response to a mess of folks on my twitter timeline who were taking great pleasure in the fact that Cole’s record was coming so close to matching the sales of Kanye’s Yeezus. This is sort of understandable - Kanye’s a natural heel and he works pretty hard to invoke the wrath of the masses. But come the fukk on thinking people, for better or worse he made a very ambitious album and has a bunch of squares banging acid squelches and metallic shard bursts while scratching their heads. It might only be subversive as a means to amplify Kanye’s ego, but at least it’s subversive. J. Cole made a regular ass mediocre rap record that only appeals to and appeases the mediocre people of the world.

And I do mean mediocre in the most literal sense. I don’t think Cole’s garbage or anything. Dude can rap okay as far as rapping humans go. If he were in a cipher on a corner or in a dorm room or at an open mic or whatever he’d surely evoke the “oh cool, rapping" response that such activities exist to evoke. That old rap rap raprap / rap ra rap rap approach can go a long way in certain social situations. But great rappers and rap stars have historically been expected to transcend that.

I mean this guy is supposed to be a great lyricist, a compelling writer, The Nas Of Our Time but nobody seems to notice that he failed to absorb the most (only?) compelling aspect of Nas’ style - that project window vision. Dude is wholly incapable of seeing outside of himself. Literally every idea on Born Sinner is I / me / my on some elementary school essay shyt. His subjects exist only as one dimensional props for him to hang his own personality and narratives on.

The “Art Of Storytelling" beat jack on “Land Of The Snakes" is perfect because it opens Cole up to such a bold contrast against the Outkast original. Sasha Thumper was a fully formed human, one with hopes and fears and slumber parties. She even exits the scene and lives an entire life outside of Andre’s verse. The women of “Snakes” and elsewhere on BS are set pieces. They have no names, no stories, no personalities, no specific characteristics. It’s just “this bytch,“ “some hoes” and endless “she"s. Sometimes they talk at him like wamp wamp wamp wamp but that’s where it stops. I’m sure someone could extract an intense gender politics thinkpiece out of this but it’s not just women either. He does the same thing with his family, with physical spaces, even with his own heroes (On “Let Nas Down" Cole makes no specific case for Nas’ talents or appeal, he just talks about shaking dude’s hand and hanging posters on the wall.) It’s flat narcissism and it’s definitely not good writing. Good writing requires a panoramic worldview.

And I can hear you little frutflies spitting out cheetoh dust onto your keyboard and filling my ask box with baahh but Chief Keef and Migos can write? questions. No, of course not. Those guys fukking suck at traditional rhyme writing when compared to Cole’s ample mediocrity. But their goals are very different. They redirect the effort that they would’ve put into pure lyricism elsewhere - into delivery, into structure, into intensity, into flows, into adlibs, into hooks, into sonics. This is perfectly fine. Writing (“lyricism”) isn’t everything in rap. I don’t even think it’s the most important thing. But if an artist is going to make it the focal point of their work - which is what Cole clearly aims to do - then they should be doing it better than he does. I mean not to go all old head on you but if someone is not at least striving to be as vivid as Nas or as emotive as Scarface or as imaginative as Posdnuos or as bugged out as Cam’ron then I’d be more comfortable if they were to just give up on writing entirely and make a thousand kewl grunt noises on their record.

I don’t know, maybe this is a generational thing - you young people sure are in love with yourselves and maybe you need stars who are equally self-obsessed - but as a writer it’s hard for me to sit back and call someone a good writer if their shyt is as insular and shallow as Cole’s. Wale suffers from this sort of narcissism and lightweight laziness too and you could pretty easily sub his middling ass new album into any paragraph here. These guys are stuck in their own heads and bouncing around cliches that they cribbed from played out Mount Rushmore rap legends like Nas and Jay. They see nothing beyond the mirror and do very little within this narrow perspective. They’re prisoners of their own realities and of the laws of language and it destroys me to think that anyone would consider them the great lyricists of our time. But hey most people don’t pay very much attention to words at all anymore so whatever.
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Shout out to @NoHalfWay giving this nikka Sir bytch a life:mjlol:

He tags the guy so much because that his only supporter:mjlol:

Be voted the WOAT and look like this brehs
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don't forget the guy in that picture is the dude in the corner of the club, with a notepad typing up "reports" for a message board that voted him the WOAT:dead:
 
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Spread the hate around since I've spent quite some time shytting on Kendrick (as necessary).

How do people actually listen to this bland half-negro? The dude is a straight up Roc Nation product. Him and Drake are the original boy band rappers.

First time I heard of J Snore, he had released the Simba video. I thought: "Lion fukking King? that's what's hot in the streets right now?!" Lo and behold, corny youngins around me ate that shyt up. I was confused. They were entranced by the video and his lightskinnedness

Then (or around that time) he got affiliated with Hov and the typical "hip hop savior" campaign went into overdrive. Despite having a spot on Blueprint 3, Cole wasn't popping yet. Until he released two shyt mixtapes full of classic beats. Then all of a sudden, he was "the new Nas" and a "deep sociopolitical thinker".

Despite only rapping about two things: The come-up and how he could get your girl to give him brains.

First of all, how are you even considered a dope rapper if you've never blown up based on original production? I heard more buzz about the "Dead Presidents", "Too Deep For the Intro" and "Best Friend" more than any original Cole track. With the exception of "In the Morning", which featured an early Drake stimulus package (someone needs to make a thread about Drake's Obama-like tendencies). Those freestyles were garbage as is 99.9% of Cole's material.

Almost everything I've heard since then follows the same tired formula. Basic 'real' topics executed in the blandest way with RnB-ish tendencies.

Bland beats, bland flow and shyt rhymes = J Cole.

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this is so fukking true :mjlol:
 
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I think Cole cool

But his skills r :ld:

His works outside Friday night light r :ld: imo
Fhd is decent tho
 
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It's also amazing many Cole fans hated Cole made fun of him

But now with him going to Ferguson then the everyone Ioves him.
 
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Got this from somewhere

Cole at his finest brehs

Motherfu*ker, I'm the sh*t, I pass gas when I feel.
- Sky Boy:stopitslime:

Aye this is big sh*t poppin', you gon' need a plunger.
- Heartache:francis:

They say I'm like the human body, I produce my own sh*t.
- Royal Flush:scust:

They light a fire under my a.ss n*gga my sh*t hot, even if you squatted under volcanoes n*gga your sh*t not.
- Waterbreak:comeon:

These n*ggas thinking they the sh*t and they ain't even farted yet.
- Last Call:trash:

I be sh*tting on my n*ggas and my dough be farting.
-The One:what::martin:

n*gga, eat a d*ck, we the sh*t, no flushing.
- disgusting:skip::why:

You wanna know how I know I'm the sh*t? 'Cause I keep clogging up the toilet.
-disgusting:snoop:

I'm on that sh*t as if I was the flies.
-Premeditated murder:childplease:

I potty train n*ggas, yeah, this that teach you 'how to sh*t'.
- Bun B For President:dahell:

I'm the sh*t, you the stools.
- Wireless Festival 2010 Freestyle:shaq2:

You the sh*t only cause I digested you n*ggas.
- See It To Believe It:rudy:

I let you feel like you the sh*t, but boy you can't out-fart me.
- Dollar & A Dream III:camby:

Swallowed the key to my cell, which means,
I got an impossible lock to pick,
And if you want my spot you gotta go through lots of sh*t.
- The Cure:trash:

Now they tell me “man you like the realest sh*t I ever smelt."
- The Cure:stopitslime::stopitslime:

f--k is that smell? I smell bullshyt, it must be an election year.
- Get Free:beli:

I'm the sh*t you the sh*t stains.
- Backstage verse at Kendrick Lamar show:wtb:

Grew up in this bi*ch without a pot to piss, no toilet, how ironic, I took a lot of sh*t
- Tears For ODB:mindblown:

She put up with this sh*t like she work at the zoo, true
- Sparks Will Fly:wtf:

If your sh*t don't stink, n*gga, my ship won't sink
- Revenge Of The Dreamers

:scusthov: those lines
 
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Cadillac said:
Got this from somewhere

Cole at his finest brehs

Motherfu*ker, I'm the sh*t, I pass gas when I feel.
- Sky Boy

Aye this is big sh*t poppin', you gon' need a plunger.
- Heartache

They say I'm like the human body, I produce my own sh*t.
- Royal Flush

They light a fire under my a.ss n*gga my sh*t hot, even if you squatted under volcanoes n*gga your sh*t not.
- Waterbreak

These n*ggas thinking they the sh*t and they ain't even farted yet.
- Last Call

I be sh*tting on my n*ggas and my dough be farting.
-The One

n*gga, eat a d*ck, we the sh*t, no flushing.
- disgusting

You wanna know how I know I'm the sh*t? 'Cause I keep clogging up the toilet.
-disgusting

I'm on that sh*t as if I was the flies.
-Premeditated murder

I potty train n*ggas, yeah, this that teach you 'how to sh*t'.
- Bun B For President

I'm the sh*t, you the stools.
- Wireless Festival 2010 Freestyle

You the sh*t only cause I digested you n*ggas.
- See It To Believe It

I let you feel like you the sh*t, but boy you can't out-fart me.
- Dollar & A Dream III

Swallowed the key to my cell, which means,
I got an impossible lock to pick,
And if you want my spot you gotta go through lots of sh*t.
- The Cure

Now they tell me “man you like the realest sh*t I ever smelt."
- The Cure

f--k is that smell? I smell bullshyt, it must be an election year.
- Get Free

I'm the sh*t you the sh*t stains.
- Backstage verse at Kendrick Lamar show

Grew up in this bi*ch without a pot to piss, no toilet, how ironic, I took a lot of sh*t
- Tears For ODB

She put up with this sh*t like she work at the zoo, true
- Sparks Will Fly

If your sh*t don't stink, n*gga, my ship won't sink
- Revenge Of The Dreamers

:scusthov: those lines
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This the same nikka that people put in they top 3?
 
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MasterSpliffter said:
He appeals to the College/Highschool demo I almost don't want this dude spitting with K.dot and if he is he'll have to step his game up or get renegaded on every track.
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Idk. I don't consider neither impressive lyrically

But I'll give kdot the edge against Cole tho plus his delivery don't make shyt sound as corny as Cole.
 
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