that's not even close to what I meant.
the point of them being outliers is the fact we should not treat them as the norm. The vast majority of them are not going to abandon their privilege to do the right thing.
I can only think of one white ally in the history of the world. Am I wrong?
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that's not even close to what I meant.
the point of them being outliers is the fact we should not treat them as the norm. The vast majority of them are not going to abandon their privilege to do the right thing.
Facts .Like a poster mentioned earlier, Lincoln wanted to recolonize the slaves.
“Dr. Phillip Magness wrote the book on Lincoln’s true, way-more-complicated, post-emancipation relationship with slavery. While it’s not even commonly conceded that Lincoln attempted to re-colonize the freed slaves at any point (scholars generally believe that he considered and then dismissed the idea pre-emancipation, but even that's yet to take hold of the popular imagination), Magness took it a step further, digging into historical documents and finding that Lincoln actively pursued a re-colonization well after signing the Emancipation Proclamation. It’s something that should change everything about our relationship to Honest Abe—yet it’s still being roundly ignored by the public, like much of the pre-existing scholarship on our former president's racist convictions”
Everything you're saying is common knowledge for any black person in the US...that's not even close to what I meant.
the point of them being outliers is the fact we should not treat them as the norm. The vast majority of them are not going to abandon their privilege to do the right thing.
Why are you even reiterating that point?
You gonna start telling me that the justice system is biased too?
I'm only responding to the thread topic by saying the assertion OP made is false. Nothing more. Nothing less.
n toooooooooo think its large chance lincoln daddy was black...kuz thoms was nutered at the age of 10
Maury Povich 
“Butt Bbbutts we’z gots to represent for ourz whites allies”
They didn’t even want us as black people in the United States. They formed racist centrist organizations under the guise of a “common cause” only to try to undermine what we were fighting for:
The forming organization that drove colonization policy from 1860 onward, an organization known as the American Colonization Society.
The movement gains significant distrust in three areas: the more radical abolitionist movement because it’s compromising the ideals of freedom; the African American community because it asks freed blacks to leave their country of birth; and the South because it’s perceived as a conspiratorial route to undermine slavery.
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Basically these organizations said “your free now, since you’re not serving us whites anymore; you need to leave the country, Go on... gitttttt”
They didn’t even want us as black people in the United States. They formed racist centrist organizations under the guise of a “common cause” only to try to undermine what we were fighting for:
The forming organization that drove colonization policy from 1860 onward, an organization known as the American Colonization Society.
The movement gains significant distrust in three areas: the more radical abolitionist movement because it’s compromising the ideals of freedom; the African American community because it asks freed blacks to leave their country of birth; and the South because it’s perceived as a conspiratorial route to undermine slavery.
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Basically these organizations said “your free now, since you’re not serving us whites anymore; you need to leave the country, Go on... gitttttt”
-Lincoln signed a contract with a proprietor of an island off the coast of Haiti called the Ile à Vache. The Ile à Vache was a small, uninhabited island just off the southern coast of Haiti, part of Haiti’s possessions and territory. This contractor, a former merchant, had been in Haiti and secured a paper from the Haitian government giving him ownership of this island. On December 31, 1862, the evening before he issues the Emancipation Proclamation, Lincoln met with this contractor and they drafted terms to get federal subsidized transit and supplies to move up to 5,000 colonists (slaves) to this island.
There are a multitude of problems that hit this expedition. The first: an epidemic of smallpox breaks out aboard the ship while it’s en route to Haiti. The infected settlers were placed in a quarantine zone, but they didn’t have enough supplies to handle this from a medical perspective because they were awaiting a second supply ship that was supposed to bring food, lumber, medicine, and further workers. During the course of the intervening months, a dispute breaks out between the proprietor of the island and his financiers back in New York City, and between the financiers and the Secretary of the Interior in Washington. As a result, the second ship never comes, and in fact they cancel all the remaining ventures to send further colonists as well.
So the 500 are left on this island and the contractor Lincoln made the agreement with has certain despotic tendencies that emerge over the course of the journey. He decides, as any good autocrat does, to confiscate all metallic money the former slaves had brought with them and exchange it for paper currency he had issued on his own and then declares that he’s only going to accept his own paper currency as payment for food and supplies on the island. He refused to build sufficient dwellings, food stocks, or anything that would be necessary to sustain the colony.
After several months of this, with the smallpox epidemic still raging, the proprietor is driven off of the island almost by force of arms. This results in the New York investors coming in, who try to rescue the situation by replacing him with one of their own agents, but then the first wave of crops they had planted failed. So it’s a succession of disasters, and by late 1863, the colony is effectively abandoned. “
There are a multitude of problems that hit this expedition. The first: an epidemic of smallpox breaks out aboard the ship while it’s en route to Haiti. The infected settlers were placed in a quarantine zone, but they didn’t have enough supplies to handle this from a medical perspective because they were awaiting a second supply ship that was supposed to bring food, lumber, medicine, and further workers. During the course of the intervening months, a dispute breaks out between the proprietor of the island and his financiers back in New York City, and between the financiers and the Secretary of the Interior in Washington. As a result, the second ship never comes, and in fact they cancel all the remaining ventures to send further colonists as well.
So the 500 are left on this island and the contractor Lincoln made the agreement with has certain despotic tendencies that emerge over the course of the journey. He decides, as any good autocrat does, to confiscate all metallic money the former slaves had brought with them and exchange it for paper currency he had issued on his own and then declares that he’s only going to accept his own paper currency as payment for food and supplies on the island. He refused to build sufficient dwellings, food stocks, or anything that would be necessary to sustain the colony.
After several months of this, with the smallpox epidemic still raging, the proprietor is driven off of the island almost by force of arms. This results in the New York investors coming in, who try to rescue the situation by replacing him with one of their own agents, but then the first wave of crops they had planted failed. So it’s a succession of disasters, and by late 1863, the colony is effectively abandoned. “
Voting rights for who? And killed by who because of what?
Seems a little fukked up to reduce their role to being some generic voting rights advocates without reapplying the same context you apply to John Brown.
Hmmmm
So no white people fought in the civil war, no white people helped us get the right to vote, no white people made laws against jim crow and discrimination.
We did everything ourselves, huh?
So no white people fought in the civil war, no white people helped us get the right to vote, no white people made laws against jim crow and discrimination.
We did everything ourselves, huh?
I understand the reasons why some may feel a certain way about Abe. but, let's look at this from a different angle.
Now, back then in Abe's time, as you can imagine, racism was rife. Abe knew he had to say some things to appease many of the racist lawmakers who just weren't going to give way to any law that benefitted blacks. Abe knew what he had in his heart. He knew slavery was wrong and needed to end. He knew that.
With regards to the civil war, like any human being, he agonized over it because he wished he didn't have to turn brothers against brothers. He saw white americans killing other white americans, and the black american soliders getting tortured before being killed. he saw all this and like any normal human being, he thought, should I really be doing this? is this really worth it? would all this suffering be happening if I just ended the war? All this is evident in is second inaugural speech.
Abraham Lincoln's second inaugural address - Wikipedia
To say Abe wasn't an ally is really a shameful statement to make. and i hope none of you ever say that out loud in public.
This right here is the absolute dumbest, idiotic and most manipulative propaganda shyt that I have ever read in here. The civil war wasn’t fought to free the slaves, it was simply put, a war for capitalism and expansion, you stupid m— nvm. and the rest that you said, read a book. I hate it when white people like this comment on black affairs.
who the fuk are you to tell us what to say and how to think. I’ll say it to your white face and in a crowd in public. These wiki-white boys are dead trying to run with their white savior lines in here. Dafuq. Shut your dumbass up. Go deal with your own brand of white shaming. We said what the hell we said.
White all-lies running in front of the storm, are posting up Wikipedia resources trying to insult our intelligence with their white hero complex. They stay hating when we discuss anything apart from “what they did for us” and never acknowledge our own efforts or accomplishments.
