Hypothetical: How would a Mayweather fight do on National TV?

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

because they are greedy fukks. shyt used to be on the wide world of sports all the time. huge fights, for free. thats how you build a fan base. they aremore concerned with the short term ppv buyrate than with the numbers dropping WAY off when pac and floyd go to the backburner and theres no one the public latches on to because you didnt expose them properly

But that's cuz the "they" is represented more heavily by the athlete than in other sports.

If I'm a prize fighter, why wouldn't I be focused on the short term ppv money grab over building a fan base for the sport of boxing? Perhaps if I had aspirations to promote after, but that would be a ridiculous gamble.

 

[MegaTronBomb!]

But that's cuz the "they" is represented more heavily by the athlete than in other sports.

If I'm a prize fighter, why wouldn't I be focused on the short term ppv money grab over building a fan base for the sport of boxing? Perhaps if I had aspirations to promote after, but that would be a ridiculous gamble.

who's gonna be interested in buying your fight, if we haven't seen you beforehand to even consider following your career?

casual fans aren't gonna head out to casinos/hotels to see no names fight.... but if it's on TV and it's free, why not give it a look?

established big name fighters should be on PPV, but fresh faces will benefit far more from being on regular TV

had he been fighting on regular TV, Adrien Broner wouldn't have to have to dikkride Mayweather to create a gimmick for himself.

 

[So UnThotful]

i thought he meant the big 4,5 major networks though. ABC, Fox, CBS, NBC

MMA I only see on sports networks up here.

the fukk you talkin about? fox and ufc got a deal and NBC threw a decent guap at them too

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

who's gonna be interested in buying your fight, if we haven't seen you beforehand to even consider following your career?

casual fans aren't gonna head out to casinos/hotels to see no names fight.... but if it's on TV and it's free, why not give it a look?

established big name fighters should be on PPV, but fresh faces will benefit far more from being on regular TV

had he been fighting on regular TV, Adrien Broner wouldn't have to have to dikkride Mayweather to create a gimmick for himself.

I don't think you understood what I was saying or what I was responding to.

Dude pointed out that boxing, as a whole, is doing itself a disservice in terms of building its brand by going for the short term money grab in ppv. To which I replied that this is because in boxing more than any other sport, the athlete controls how the matches are monetized, so if I'm a prizefighter, why would I put the long term health of sport over my short term monetary gain?


In other words: Floyd is reportedly the highest earning athlete again this year, why would he trade that pay day just to build up boxing in general? And he DOES have plans to profit off boxing's popularity when he retires.

My point is that Floyd has far more influence on monetizing his matches than, say, LeBron has influencing how a basketball game is monetized. That's why you ain't seeing boxing go for the long con, and I can't blame individual boxers for it....get that money!

 

[Art Barr]

I don't think you understood what I was saying or what I was responding to.

Dude pointed out that boxing, as a whole, is doing itself a disservice in terms of building its brand by going for the short term money grab in ppv. To which I replied that this is because in boxing more than any other sport, the athlete controls how the matches are monetized, so if I'm a prizefighter, why would I put the long term health of sport over my short term monetary gain?


In other words: Floyd is reportedly the highest earning athlete again this year, why would he trade that pay day just to build up boxing in general? And he DOES have plans to profit off boxing's popularity when he retires.

My point is that Floyd has far more influence on monetizing his matches than, say, LeBron has influencing how a basketball game is monetized. That's why you ain't seeing boxing go for the long con, and I can't blame individual boxers for it....get that money!

After, mayweather's next Reported five fights.
Boxing is gonna be doing tna ppv numbers at best.
Boxing will be dead as fukk, after money may is gone.
Not to mention,....
If he does not market himself for at least two tv matches.
Any aspiration, he had for boxing after that is dead as well.
Boxing's only draw is the Latin crowd and old ABC wideworld of sports at its main hub as a draw.
money may actually is only a carry over of dela hoya's draw.
after he needed dela Hoya to get him in that distinction as a draw.
Dela hoya's draw that segue ways was the only way money may reached the ppv draw distinction.
He now, is the beneficiary of.
Once, there is no main draw, derived from the dela Hoya or last HBO guard of contract boxers to drive buys.
That Latin crowd will not keep the draw active.
The old ABC wide world of sports built boxing draw age bracket is pretty much dead.
So, after money may is done.
Boxing is done.
As a matter of fact,...
Money may was the last real HBO contractual draw.
After they talent raided the sport originally of all the talent, generally.
After money,..there are no draws of that ilk or better.
to stimulate a return buy wise via ppv.




Art Barr

 

[Tom Foolery]

The financial structure of boxing and tv is too different to work.
PPV boxing can bank on the local bars to purchase the whole card and I think they get charged based on capacity too.

Cable has to sell commercial slots to advertisers. Just from there you can already see the problems arising.

 

[pete clemenza]

Tyson used to fight on ABC back in the days.. It would be great for the sport if a big fight was on free television. Split the screen in-between rounds. The trainers working on the fighters in one screen box.. a 30 second commercial in the other

 

[MegaTronBomb!]

I don't think you understood what I was saying or what I was responding to.

Dude pointed out that boxing, as a whole, is doing itself a disservice in terms of building its brand by going for the short term money grab in ppv. To which I replied that this is because in boxing more than any other sport, the athlete controls how the matches are monetized, so if I'm a prizefighter, why would I put the long term health of sport over my short term monetary gain?


In other words: Floyd is reportedly the highest earning athlete again this year, why would he trade that pay day just to build up boxing in general? And he DOES have plans to profit off boxing's popularity when he retires.

My point is that Floyd has far more influence on monetizing his matches than, say, LeBron has influencing how a basketball game is monetized. That's why you ain't seeing boxing go for the long con, and I can't blame individual boxers for it....get that money!

Because, he could make far more money doing so... the big 4 networks would easily put 100 M's for the exclusive rights to show that fight, and then even he only got a % of what companies paid for commercial slots, even if that's half of what they'd pay for super bowl ads, it's still far more than any PPV money he'd get.


if the NFL can juice TV networks for nearly 30 Billion, who's to say that Floyd couldn't get 150-200M's out of a Network TV fight?

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

Because, he could make far more money doing so... the big 4 networks would easily put 100 M's for the exclusive rights to show that fight, and then even he only got a % of what companies paid for commercial slots, even if that's half of what they'd pay for super bowl ads, it's still far more than any PPV money he'd get.


if the NFL can juice TV networks for nearly 30 Billion, who's to say that Floyd couldn't get 150-200M's out of a Network TV fight?

No he couldn't make more money on network TV. No network is giving him $150M for a fight.

Your claims are baseless. They go this route, cuz it makes more money for a single fight. That's not even arguable.

 

[Master Teacher]

people listen to Dana white and all these fukk boys too much

Boxing will be fine after mayweather, they got broner, canelo, mares
its a lot of good fighters coming up who are entertaining

mayweather ain't never been on a national TV, but he national
boxing doesn't need to be a mainstream sport
it's a real nikka sport

nikkaz who gamble, hit atlantic city partying, or vegas partying, living the life
taking a bad broad for a night on the town going to a fight is an EVENT

You ain't never seen Tiger Woods, Magic Johnson, Puff Daddy, Mark Wahlberg, Usher, and a host of other A listers at the fukking Super Bowl all at the same time
but they be at all the title fights in the same crowd

A title fight is a such a big event stars come out

you don't see A listers come out for MMA like that, because to be honest the product is inferior, its enough quality guys in MMA especially for how often MMA comes on TV

I tried to put people onto MMA, but everytime is on TV it's a boring ass match, two people holding each other on the ground, I'm sorry that's not fighting nobody wants to see that shyt

All MMA should have the pride rules where you lose points of stalling or they break that shyt, and stand the guys back up

Boxing stands on it's on, only people they hate at on it are people outside of it and not the true fans

they hate because they don't understand, its not for them, but they wanna rain on the parade of the people who enjoy it because guys like Mayweather are caking hard

boxing will always be here, Mayweather will become a full time promoter trainer after he stops fighting, I guarantee he will groom another star to be his cash cow

 

[HamAndEgger]

I think it would do very well in Neilson ratings, but financially Floyd would take a big hit without any PPV revenue which makes up a good amount of his overall earnings in a fight.

I think they should start showing up and comers again on NBC, CBS on a weekly basis like they had it before. If ESPN can show Boxing, there's no reason they can't air a prime time double header on ABC with a Maidana vs Lopez type of fight.

 

[GMOGMediaTV]

I could definitely seeing it doing NBA Championship Game 1 TV ratings (2008-2009 Lakers vs Boston)

It can't be commercial free either because Floyd won't be able to make a dime off the fight on national tv.

 

[MegaTronBomb!]

No he couldn't make more money on network TV. No network is giving him $150M for a fight.

Your claims are baseless. They go this route, cuz it makes more money for a single fight. That's not even arguable.

that's why this is a Hypothetical thread.

Who's to say that a Network wouldn't give him that type of money if he shopped a fight to the big 4 networks?

 

[TheNig]

the Floyd/Ghost squeeked to a million buys last i checked. that would put Showtime in a position to hurry up in cash in so they wont lose too much money. if a fight like that was on one of the big 4 networks on a Saturday night, that shyt would do astronomical numbers and the payday would be just as big if not bigger than what the last PPV just did. here's the problem tho:



you need commercial. you need them advertisers to cough up money. Get the big wigs too. Microsoft, Apple, Coke, General Mills, whoever do the commercials for the e-trade baby and throw in the joints with the AT&T guy and those kids jsut becasue i like them shyts. that's how you get the money.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

that's why this is a Hypothetical thread.

Who's to say that a Network wouldn't give him that type of money if he shopped a fight to the big 4 networks?

Basic logic says a network wouldn't give him that kind of money. It's an unproven commodity with too much risk involved for a network to put up that kind of money. There's some level of empirical evidence to support this notion with ufc.

Ufc, with Dana white, operates more like a traditional sporting league than boxing, so they can look more long term and building the profitability of the sport over the profitability of a single event. As such they HAVE tried to move into network television, yet every time Silva or Bone Jones fights, it's on ppv cuz that remains the most profitable route for a single event.

Ultimately, you're right tho, I'm not a TV exec and I haven't polled any TV execs, so believe what you want to believe