Humans creating AI = God creating us?

[Dooby]

 

[Ego Noir]

With that thought process makes me wonder if we do better things than God since we create AIs that can outperform us on mathematical levels, for example.

NEGATIVE.

The number 6 can never amount to nothing higher than, 6. A computer is not more intelligent than man, being that its very algorithm is made by man.

If AI was more intelligent than man, it's algo would've (at the very least) came full circle, realizing its own existence.

The entirety of the human mind far exceeds that of anything in creation. The variable is the existence of our conscious mind, which is selective on what information is accessible at any one time.

Expand your consciousness, expand the "dashboard" of information able to be held at any one time.

 

[Type Username Here]

NEGATIVE.

The number 6 can never amount to nothing higher than 6. A computer is not more intelligent than man, being that its very algorithm is made by man.

If AI was more intelligent than man, it's algo would've came full circle, realizing its own existence.

The entirety of the human mind far exceeds that of anything in creation. The variable is the existence of our conscious mind, which is selective on what information is accessible at any one time.

Expand your consciousness, expand the "dashboard" of information able to be held at any one time.

While I tend to agree with you and the premise brought forth by "The Chinese Room", it also assumes that these machines won't reach the point where they can develop their own algorithms. Even in our present day, the bulk of human advancement is due to the processing power and time-efficiency of computers.

Also, you assume that a conscious mind is not an algorithm in itself. A naturally made, algorithm, but an algorithm nonetheless. "Vision" is a perfect example of this.

 

[Dooby]

NEGATIVE.

The number 6 can never amount to nothing higher than, 6. A computer is not more intelligent than man, being that its very algorithm is made by man.

If AI was more intelligent than man, it's algo would've came full circle, realizing its own existence.

The entirety of the human mind far exceeds that of anything in creation. The variable is the existence of our conscious mind, which is selective on what information is accessible at any one time.

Expand your consciousness, expand the "dashboard" of information able to be held at any one time.

Computers can perform mathematical equations better than any man alive. We leave incredibly complex problems up to computers, problems that would take men years upon years to complete. Wouldn't that mean we have the power to create things that outperform our abilities?

So why can't it be the same for a God figure?

That's what I'm saying. I'm aware of the Chinese room and that's where you seem to be taking this discussion but that's not the case I'm making.

 

[Ego Noir]

While I tend to agree with you and the premise brought forth by "The Chinese Room", it also assumes that these machines won't reach the point where they can develop their own algorithms. Even in our present day, the bulk of human advancement is due to the processing power and time-efficiency of computers.

Also, you assume that a conscious mind is not an algorithm in itself. A naturally made, algorithm, but an algorithm nonetheless. "Vision" is a perfect example of this.

The bulk of human advancement is manifested by computers according to the power of man. It is nothing of itself, without the work of man. Similar to how in the Scriptures God charges man with the duty to accomplish His will, so too did man with AI.

I never said the conscious mind isn't an algorithm. It is. What I am saying is that it is an algorithm derived from one infinitely more complex, that which science calls the subconscious. The Bible thereof calls it the soule.

 

[Ego Noir]

Computers can perform mathematical equations better than any man alive. We leave incredibly complex problems up to computers, problems that would take men years upon years to complete. Wouldn't that mean we have the power to create things that outperform our abilities?

So why can't it be the same for a God figure?

That's what I'm saying. I'm aware of the Chinese room and that's where you seem to be taking this discussion but that's not the case I'm making.

What man did is create a crutch to compensate for its inefficiencies in consciousness, making the computer handle the burden.

Measuring the mind in its entirety, including the subcon, it is not more intelligent. See my post also above.

 

[Type Username Here]

The bulk of human advancement is manifested by computers according to the power of man.

True but again, it assumes that this will always be the case. We can reach the point where we make an algorithm that essentially allows the computer to search through various possibilities of becoming self-aware. It would then "Evolve" from there on it's own. Not sure if it is possible, but I can't rule it out.

It is nothing of itself, without the work of man. Similar to how in the Scriptures God charges man with the duty to accomplish His will, so too did man with AI.

Have you seen the Animatrix episodes titled "Second Renaissance"? It touches on this. I don't agree with it but you might like it.

I never said the conscious mind isn't an algorithm. It is. What I am saying is that it is an algorithm derived from one infinitely more complex, that which science calls the subconscious. The Bible thereof calls it the soule.

Sure, but then we go back to the chicken and the egg argument. If it always requires an infinitely more complex, then where is the original? What programmed it?

 

[Type Username Here]

Good stuff by the way @Ego Eimis @Dooby

We need more of this around here.

 

[Mr. Somebody]

We were made in Gods image, but when humans create robots to ultimately take them over and destroy themselves with, they are still unable to fathom being a creation.

All living things have a creator, accept human beings, in the mind of a demon.

Its so demonic, friends.

 

[Type Username Here]

We were made in Gods image, but when humans create robots to ultimately take them over and destroy themselves with, they are still unable to fathom being a creation.

All living things have a creator, accept human beings, in the mind of a demon.

Its so demonic, friends.

We need to perfect our grammar/syntax algorithms friend.

 

[Mr. Somebody]

We need to perfect our grammar/syntax algorithms friend.

O, you're one of those.

Its so demonic.

 

[Ego Noir]

True but again, it assumes that this will always be the case. We can reach the point where we make an algorithm that essentially allows the computer to search through various possibilities of becoming self-aware. It would then "Evolve" from there on it's own. Not sure if it is possible, but I can't rule it out.

True.

But if something develops from "there", is not that seed its direct progenitor, responsible for its growth?

Further. An apple seed can never develop farther than the confines of what an apple seed can be. Meaning even if the algo evolves, it can never exceed the powers defined and confined within its original template. It can be further developed according to the depth of its intricacies, but nothing more.

Have you seen the Animatrix episodes titled "Second Renaissance"? It touches on this. I don't agree with it but you might like it.

I haven't but ill check it out.

Sure, but then we go back to the chicken and the egg argument. If it always requires an infinitely more complex, then where is the original? What programmed it?

This asks the question "what is the infinite of the infinite?"

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but breh. I usually just chill in TLR cause there's too many trolls here but I'm always down for a good discussion.

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

i was rather drunk when i made this thread, but i am pleasantly surprised by the convo it has stirred up.

i'm not a creationist in the traditional sense of the term but i do believe in some higher power that i don't pretend to understand.
i just thought that the idea of us creating AI and where it is going was easily tied to us being created by something and us creating something else.

it's fascinating to me...we are creating AI for many reasons, one of those reasons is to recreate ourselves in some way...just to see if we can...i think?

what if whatever made us did the same thing?

now it's looking at us like

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

On the chicken/egg reference in regards to the infinite...is it not possible that there was a state of "nothingness/everythingness" which, subsequently, could not Be , so it then exploded into various somethings of material significance while creating the phenomenon of "separation"?

The chicken, the egg, and the idea of both must have existed as one, simultaneously, before the algorithms of either of the material things were separated into different definitions/defined "things"...the designer must have devised of both concepts in one thought process.

"Us" creating AI could have possibly been equivalent to the designer creating us, although who is to say that an all perfect "AI" didn't create us? Most of creation just seems like a program that is looping.

Sorry for getting all matrixxy on you. I apologize in advance.