Human history is the story of madmen marauding. Our "philosophies" are the ramblings of crazy people

[Ghost Utmost]

Right and wrong are mental constructs. People abusing people is universal. Timeless. If there was a universal judge, most of the current empires would have been swept from the face of the planet. For being "wrong" (violent and ruthless)

Even religion is the fantasies of warmongers who spread their "dream" with warfare.

Doesn't seem possible that true justice and equality can ever overcome these insane imaginings.

 

[Fill Collins]

I'm not a 19 year old woman so I'm not impressed OP

Read the New Testament and observe the world around you instead of just being here

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

If 'right' and 'wrong' are mental constructs, then terms like 'abuse', 'justice', & 'equality' have no meaning.​

 

[Ghost Utmost]

I'm not a 19 year old woman so I'm not impressed OP

Read the New Testament and observe the world around you instead of just being here

The New Testament is based on fact?

You follow everything that it says?

Usually I would wait for you to reply, then come back with facts.

But I will just reply right here to anything you might write.

There is zero historical evidence for the existence of Jesus. All the writing about him was decades to centuries after his "death".

Your turn

 

[Ghost Utmost]

If 'right' and 'wrong' are mental constructs, then terms like 'abuse', 'justice', & 'equality' have no meaning.​

The most basic truth about the Human animal is that we need each other to thrive. An alligator doesn't need a posse. A bear can roll dolo. Even a spider is a loner.

A lone human is food. Even with modern gear, a lone human will starve to death after several months (watch "Alone" the reality show to see how it works. Not one contestant has been out there just chilin, living well. ALL of them be on the verge of starvation. Even the winner.)

The "justice" thing is about your tribe. You NEED your group members and they have to feel protected by the group. If not, they won't do they job.

People can get away with abusing and enslaving "others" as long as their core group stays tight.

Right and wrong only matter if you're fukcing up the crib. shytting on the people you depend on.

The reality is: the globe is one family. The goods made in Asia have to make it to the new world. And vice versa. We still all needs each other, but on the scale of billions of people, it's easier to deny.

 

[Fill Collins]

The New Testament is based on fact?

You follow everything that it says?

Usually I would wait for you to reply, then come back with facts.

But I will just reply right here to anything you might write.

There is zero historical evidence for the existence of Jesus. All the writing about him was decades to centuries after his "death".

Your turn

I don't think any of the mystical, magical, whatever stuff happened in the NT or any religious book for one

I never said worship anyone or thing, I follow, oftentimes poorly, whatever he said in the sermon in the mount

Highly recommend you read the anti-dogmatic, anti-corruption, anti-greed beliefs Christ had in Luke

Personally, I think leaving consenting adults tf alone in privacy ties in nicely with free will

You're against human nature, alright, what next OP? What's your replacement for all of this?

 

[010101]

SENSE AGAINST NONSENSE*

 

[KingFreeman]

The most basic truth about the Human animal is that we need each other to thrive. An alligator doesn't need a posse. A bear can roll dolo. Even a spider is a loner.

A lone human is food. Even with modern gear, a lone human will starve to death after several months (watch "Alone" the reality show to see how it works. Not one contestant has been out there just chilin, living well. ALL of them be on the verge of starvation. Even the winner.)

The "justice" thing is about your tribe. You NEED your group members and they have to feel protected by the group. If not, they won't do they job.

People can get away with abusing and enslaving "others" as long as their core group stays tight.

Right and wrong only matter if you're fukcing up the crib. shytting on the people you depend on.

The reality is: the globe is one family. The goods made in Asia have to make it to the new world. And vice versa. We still all needs each other, but on the scale of billions of people, it's easier to deny.

Rep. Facts. Anybody who doesn't understand this doesn't understand how things work. Excellent breakdown.

 

[Ghost Utmost]

I don't think any of the mystical, magical, whatever stuff happened in the NT or any religious book for one

I never said worship anyone or thing, I follow, oftentimes poorly, whatever he said in the sermon in the mount

Highly recommend you read the anti-dogmatic, anti-corruption, anti-greed beliefs Christ had in Luke

Personally, I think leaving consenting adults tf alone in privacy ties in nicely with free will

You're against human nature, alright, what next OP? What's your replacement for all of this?

We're doing it now.

Democracy is the process of allowing each sub group to have a voice.

Small groups have to ally with larger groups, but in aggregate, those that believe in true freedom can march toward it. Election by election.

 

[Fillerguy]

Right and wrong are mental constructs. People abusing people is universal. Timeless. If there was a universal judge, most of the current empires would have been swept from the face of the planet. For being "wrong" (violent and ruthless)

Even religion is the fantasies of warmongers who spread their "dream" with warfare.

Doesn't seem possible that true justice and equality can ever overcome these insane imaginings.

This is nihilism.

Nihilism is the first step, not the final conclusion. Take it a step further:

There are no rules in the universe, we are free to do anything....physically anyway. That includes being "wrong". But it also means we can create meaning. Like justice.

In a universe where nothing matters, "wrong", "right" and "justice" are meaningless terms until we give them meaning.

I have my issues with religion but those crazy fukkers managed to stumble on a concept that has kept us alive for generations. Creating meaning in a meaningless universe is the closest we'll ever get to true immortality. We still talk in reverence about people who used to fukk their siblings in the desert and lust after their grandmas. We would waste a brain remembering these people if didn't give meaning to their existence.

 

[Still Benefited]

Thats because you are living out the white mans mind by choice

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

The most basic truth about the Human animal is that we need each other to thrive. An alligator doesn't need a posse. A bear can roll dolo. Even a spider is a loner.

This is entirely false. We only need each other to procreate.​

A lone human is food. Even with modern gear, a lone human will starve to death after several months (watch "Alone" the reality show to see how it works. Not one contestant has been out there just chilin, living well. ALL of them be on the verge of starvation. Even the winner.)

There was a Japanese soldier from WW2 who survived for 2 years, solo. He surrendered in 1972 after 29 years, 27 of which he had 2 partners.​

The "justice" thing is about your tribe. You NEED your group members and they have to feel protected by the group. If not, they won't do they job.

There's no need for other people aside from procreation and 'justice' is a meaningless term without an objective standard.​

People can get away with abusing and enslaving "others" as long as their core group stays tight.

'Abuse' is an opinion with no real meaning unless there is an objective standard.​

Right and wrong only matter if you're fukcing up the crib. shytting on the people you depend on.

​

'Right' and 'wrong' are opinions without an objective standard.

Yeah, I know, broken record.​

The reality is: the globe is one family. The goods made in Asia have to make it to the new world. And vice versa. We still all needs each other, but on the scale of billions of people, it's easier to deny.

The 'reality' is that humans are suspicious of other humans and don't trust them.

See any #GMB thread.​

 

[Fill Collins]

We're doing it now.

Democracy is the process of allowing each sub group to have a voice.

Small groups have to ally with larger groups, but in aggregate, those that believe in true freedom can march toward it. Election by election.

Then what are you mad about then?

 

[Mister Terrific]

It makes no difference what men think of war, said the judge. War endures. As well ask men what they think of stone. War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner. That is the way it was and will be. That way and not some other way.

He turned to Brown, from whom he’d heard some whispered slur or demurrer. Ah Davy, he said. It’s your own trade we honor here. Why not rather take a small bow. Let each acknowledge each.

My trade?

Certainly.

What is my trade?

War. War is your trade. Is it not?

And it aint yours?

Mine too. Very much so.

What about all them notebooks and bones and stuff?

All other trades are contained in that of war.

Is that why war endures?

No. It endures because young men love it and old men love it in them. Those that fought, those that did not.

That’s your notion.

The judge smiled. Men are born for games. Nothing else. Every child knows that play is nobler than work. He knows too that the worth or merit of a game is not inherent in the game itself but rather in the value of that which is put at hazard. Games of chance require a wager to have meaning at all. Games of sport involve the skill and strength of the opponents and the humiliation of defeat and the pride of victory are in themselves sufficient stake because they inhere in the worth of the principals and define them. But trial of chance or trial of worth all games aspire to the condition of war for here that which is wagered swallows up game, player, all.

Suppose two men at cards with nothing to wager save their lives. Who has not heard such a tale? A turn of the card. The whole universe for such a player has labored clanking to this moment which will tell if he is to die at that man’s hand or that man at his. What more certain validation of a man’s worth could there be? This enhancement of the game to its ultimate state admits no argument concerning the notion of fate. The selection of one man over another is a preference absolute and irrevocable and it is a dull man indeed who could reckon so profound a decision without agency or significance either one. In such games as have for their stake the annihilation of the defeated the decisions are quite clear. This man holding this particular arrangement of cards in his hand is thereby removed from existence. This is the nature of war, whose stake is at once the game and the authority and the justification. Seen so, war is the truest form of divination. It is the testing of one’s will and the will of another within that larger will which because it binds them is therefore forced to select. War is the ultimate game because war is at last a forcing of the unity of existence. War is god.

Moral law is an invention of mankind for the disenfranchisement of the powerful in favor of the weak. Historical law subverts it at every turn. A moral view can never be proven right or wrong by any ultimate test. A man falling dead in a duel is not thought thereby to be proven in error as to his views. His very involvement in such a trial gives evidence of a new and broader view. The willingness of the principals to forgo further argument as the triviality which it in fact is and to petition directly the chambers of the historical absolute clearly indicates of how little moment are the opinions and of what great moment the divergences thereof. For the argument is indeed trivial, but not so the separate wills thereby made manifest.

 

[ISO]

Sadly true.