How would an assault rifle stop the government from going 1984?

[Brown_Pride]

not to change the subject, but stereotyping all members of any group is a slippery slope. I don't think I have to go into specifics on that....

Also, in regards to the reality of a combat situation, I'll take a PFC's experience over a high ranking officer any day.

Regardless, several of you are correct in saying that if the US Military had zero regard for collateral damage then they could easily put down and armed insurrection. That simply wouldn't be the case for several reasons. Inflicting mass civilian casualties would only strengthen the resolve of the revolting movement, and add numbers to it's ranks. History has proven this time and again.

moreover, the US Gov't, no matter how tyrannical in this hypothetical scenario, would not engage in whole sale destruction of its own infrastructure.

Similarly, no matter how evil you may be convinced that the average US Soldier/marine is, that's the exception, not the rule. For every maniac that slaughters innocent civilians, there's literally thousands of soldiers doing the right thing. Many of you stereotype soldiers as all being flag-waving "rethugs". Well, best believe there's nothing a flag waving good-old-boy hates more than a federal government using its might against individual states, let alone the private citizens. Believe that.

Ultimately, its ridiculous to say that an armed population provides no limitations on the strength of its government, even in modern times.

Now, like i stated at the beginning of this thread, I also understand and agree with many of the arguments in favor of banning assault rifle. I think the big point to come to grips with is that this is not a black or white debate. It falls into a grey area that everyone needs to genuinely consider both sides of.

I own an assault rifle. Do I need it? No. Honestly, its a toy. I use it for recreation at the range. I know I'm responsible enough to keep i secured and it use it safely. Hell, I store it disassembled. Do I trust that all Americans are responsible enough? fukk no.

Think of it like a tricked out race car. Do you really need a car that can get up to 200 mph or whatever? No. Should it be mandated that all cars max out at 65 MPH? I don't think so...but I could make a pretty strong case that it would save lives, and should be federal law if I were so inclined.

given that i provided a meme as proof of my comments i was assuming it was understood that i was taking a stab at the military, not necissarily making a cogent argument. I know some smart military folk and some dumb go in guns blazing ignorant types too. no disrespect to the military heads in hear, most of my family is either server or has served.

as for gun control
You don't need an AR 15.
Banning AR 15's solves dyck.

I error on the side of rights as often as I feel I can and I see no real good reason to disallow an assult weapon. Is it practical? No.
Is it for the defense of our country? No.
Is it for self defense? No.

There are ways to regulate without completely taking a way guns...which to be honest is the ONLY thing that i can honestly say is as american as apple pie. (especially considering that apple pie is a dutch concept).

Think about that for a second. Guns, are a part of american culture. Movie, tv shows (going back decades right to the start of TV), music, hobbies...bottom line is we're a violent ass country and furthermore it's part of who we are at the core. YOu' not gonna change violence by banning guns. As has been pointed out we kill more people with hammers that assault weapons. Does this mean we ban hammers? No. It means...we kill a lot of people in this country...we're violent.

So what do you do?

You regulate access, you get the crazies who fantasize about shooting up schools and you make sure they can't get guns. You limit clip sizes.

There are ways to do this and sadly neither side of the debate really wants to take an honest approach.

On the one hand gun advocates act like they have guns for any other reason that it's fukin fun for some people to shoot shyt.

On the other hand the anti-gun movement seams to think that if we had no guns we'd have no violence, school killings, etc, etc. We've been killing eachother for centuries prior to guns, we'd go back to that.

Reasonable regulation and a hard look at our cultural position on violence is the answer.

 

[Shogun]

given that i provided a meme as proof of my comments i was assuming it was understood that i was taking a stab at the military, not necissarily making a cogent argument. I know some smart military folk and some dumb go in guns blazing ignorant types too. no disrespect to the military heads in hear, most of my family is either server or has served.

as for gun control
You don't need an AR 15.
Banning AR 15's solves dyck.

I error on the side of rights as often as I feel I can and I see no real good reason to disallow an assult weapon. Is it practical? No.
Is it for the defense of our country? No.
Is it for self defense? No.

There are ways to regulate without completely taking a way guns...which to be honest is the ONLY thing that i can honestly say is as american as apple pie. (especially considering that apple pie is a dutch concept).

Think about that for a second. Guns, are a part of american culture. Movie, tv shows (going back decades right to the start of TV), music, hobbies...bottom line is we're a violent ass country and furthermore it's part of who we are at the core. YOu' not gonna change violence by banning guns. As has been pointed out we kill more people with hammers that assault weapons. Does this mean we ban hammers? No. It means...we kill a lot of people in this country...we're violent.

So what do you do?

You regulate access, you get the crazies who fantasize about shooting up schools and you make sure they can't get guns. You limit clip sizes.

There are ways to do this and sadly neither side of the debate really wants to take an honest approach.

On the one hand gun advocates act like they have guns for any other reason that it's fukin fun for some people to shoot shyt.

On the other hand the anti-gun movement seams to think that if we had no guns we'd have no violence, school killings, etc, etc. We've been killing eachother for centuries prior to guns, we'd go back to that.

Reasonable regulation and a hard look at our cultural position on violence is the answer.

I couldn't agree with you more, breh


In fact I just made my own thread to rant about the same point you just made if you're interested
http://www.the-coli.com/higher-lear...bate-much-ado-about-nothing.html#.UPXxDWclKuY

 

[Ritzy Sharon]

Sure, a lot will refuse but then again a lot will just follow orders. Look at Syria, a lot of desertions but they are still killing civilians like it's going out of style, and their military doesn't have 1/100th the capability as ours.

well Syria has a sectarian dynamic which is pretty unique to the rest of the world. Assad has not relied on rank and file Syrian soldiers (predominately Sunni) -- he's depending on the air force, security forces, pro-government militia and various goons (all have close ties to his Alawite clan) to do most of the killing.

Mubarak tried to send the Egyptian army against the protestors and they replied with a and

 

[daze23]

You limit clip sizes.

There are ways to do this and sadly neither side of the debate really wants to take an honest approach.

uh, clip size is a big part of the current debate

is there anything about the current proposed measures that you find 'unreasonable'?

 

[DEAD7]

Im damn near right in the middle on this debate but I will say.....

Afghan farmers with little more than assault rifles have kept the US military on our toes for over a decade now.

You dont seriously believe that do you?

 

[thekingsmen]

real real quick

can someone tell me whats the difference between the nazi flag and the kiss letters??? no ignorance no ignorance

The letters are actually a lightening bolt. The esoteric symbolism of Lucifer falling from the sky. That is why KISS meaning is Knights In Satan's Service

 

[tru_m.a.c]

The letters are actually a lightening bolt. The esoteric symbolism of Lucifer falling from the sky. That is why KISS meaning is Knights In Satan's Service

they dead ass got away with that???

lightning bolts

the KISS acronym makes complete sense though...but lightning bolts???

 

[thekingsmen]

they dead ass got away with that???

lightning bolts

the KISS acronym makes complete sense though...but lightning bolts???

The lightening bolt symbolized Lucifer's fall from Heaven to Earth. It also represented the sun..which Lucifier is considered Light of the Morning.

Read up on your ancient and occult history. Same Symbols used today are old symbols of the ancients.

 

[bigesco]

this is the most peaceful time in the history of mankind

White people like you sicken me , pathological liars always lying to yourselves that everything is "dandy"

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

White people like you sicken me , pathological liars always lying to yourselves that everything is "dandy"

What time was more peaceful?

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

White people like you sicken me , pathological liars always lying to yourselves that everything is "dandy"

Would you rather be living in Roman times?

 

[tru_m.a.c]

The lightening bolt symbolized Lucifer's fall from Heaven to Earth. It also represented the sun..which Lucifier is considered Light of the Morning.

Read up on your ancient and occult history. Same Symbols used today are old symbols of the ancients.

I guess I need to

 

[Brown_Pride]

uh, clip size is a big part of the current debate

is there anything about the current proposed measures that you find 'unreasonable'?

got a list? I thought they were releasing the proposal today?

 

[ExodusNirvana]

real real quick

can someone tell me whats the difference between the nazi flag and the kiss letters??? no ignorance no ignorance

Stanley came up with the name as he, Simmons, and Criss were driving around New York City. Criss mentioned that he was in a band called Lips, so Stanley said something to the effect of "What about Kiss?"[18] Frehley created the now-iconic logo, making the "SS" look like lightning bolts, when he went to write the new band name over Wicked Lester on a poster outside the club where they were going to play.[19] The runic letters happened to look similar to the insignia of the Nazi SS, a symbol that is now illegal to display in Germany. Therefore, to avoid controversy, since 1979 most of the band's album covers and merchandise in Germany have used a modified version of the logo instead, with the SS represented by two backwards Zs.
The band's name has repeatedly been the subject of many rumors pertaining to its alleged hidden meanings. Among these rumors are claims that the name is an acronym for "Knights In Satan's Service", "Kinder SS", or "Kids In Satan's Service". These claims have been denied by Simmons himself.[20][21]

 

[tru_m.a.c]