mastermind
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They don’t care
How will Joe Biden GOVERN? General Biden Administration F**kery Thread
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I am going to go deeper. How would the US even verify the Uighurs didn’t make something from China? You going to have to trust paperwork of verification from China, because you know they ain’t going to add the cost of US companies hiring inspectors for their plants? So for that shut to work fukking China, land of the fake paperwork and bribes, has to promise they aren’t using their slave labor.
mastermind
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Symbolic gestures that do nothing is the American way.
It is. But it's an entirely separate issue that what is going on with the Uyghur's.
The solutions for unpaid/underpaid US prison labor doesn't fix the issue with the Uyghur's.
Does increasing their pay rate at internment camps rectify the human rights issue?
Would merely keeping them locked up, but not forcing them to work make things better?
Lazy whataboutism running rampant.
storyteller
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That's it.
storyteller
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"At least our prison system isn't abject slavery"
Idk...guys, it does kinda seem like a downstream off-chute after open slavery was undone and Jim Crow laws got dropped...I bet there's a book about it somewhere:
A conversation with Michelle Alexander, author of The New Jim Crow
Anyway, the objections you've seen in this thread aren't claiming that acting in the interests of the Uhygurs is a bad thing. Matter of fact, I didn't even bother to reference the bill because as much as I think it's being enacted for dubious reasons that aren't really all that interested in the Uhygurs, it could end up being good (I'll wait to see how it's implementation goes to judge).
I take issue with trying to sanitize the U.S. handling of its own prisoners just because people bring it up as a criticism of the current administration. Scream "false equivalence" all you want. We have a prison system that's blatantly discriminatory on basis of arbitrary shyt like skin-color and income. We should work on that. Biden's Judicial nominees have actually been a nice step in that direction, so you can start there and build a case for Biden actually addressing the problem instead of trying to debate whether China treats its imprisoned populations better than we do...seriously, what a dystopian ass debate to have.
Idk...guys, it does kinda seem like a downstream off-chute after open slavery was undone and Jim Crow laws got dropped...I bet there's a book about it somewhere:
A conversation with Michelle Alexander, author of The New Jim Crow
Anyway, the objections you've seen in this thread aren't claiming that acting in the interests of the Uhygurs is a bad thing. Matter of fact, I didn't even bother to reference the bill because as much as I think it's being enacted for dubious reasons that aren't really all that interested in the Uhygurs, it could end up being good (I'll wait to see how it's implementation goes to judge).
I take issue with trying to sanitize the U.S. handling of its own prisoners just because people bring it up as a criticism of the current administration. Scream "false equivalence" all you want. We have a prison system that's blatantly discriminatory on basis of arbitrary shyt like skin-color and income. We should work on that. Biden's Judicial nominees have actually been a nice step in that direction, so you can start there and build a case for Biden actually addressing the problem instead of trying to debate whether China treats its imprisoned populations better than we do...seriously, what a dystopian ass debate to have.
No, it isn't.
Bad faith. We constantly talk about our own issues with our prison industrial complex.
But suggesting that our actions against regarding the Uyghurs in China are wrong, should not be taken, or should be ignored because the US prison system isn't perfect is bad faith.
storyteller
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Yeah...I didn't wanna agree, but it does seem like just another issue they care about depending on degrees of political convenience.
White knights!
storyteller
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Bad Faith is having to cut my post to avoid the fact that I didn't suggest our actions against China regarding the Uyghurs are wrong at all...
Virtue ethics is a stain on society. Anyone whose done minimal study on the theories of right action likely gets it.
Interestingly enough folks are here channeling it, to frame an action that can be judged as right or wrong based on its own as bad.
Particularly when virtue ethics itself, is a foundation for much of the harm we see in policing, judgement, and sentencing. Even in the case of uyghurs, them being labeled as anti-ethical extremists merely because one of their character traits (being Muslim) falls into this same trap.
The action is good or it isn't. I've yet to see folks criticize the bill on its own merits days later. So I'll just write this off as folks wanting to get their virtue signaling jollies off. Per usual.
Interestingly enough folks are here channeling it, to frame an action that can be judged as right or wrong based on its own as bad.
Particularly when virtue ethics itself, is a foundation for much of the harm we see in policing, judgement, and sentencing. Even in the case of uyghurs, them being labeled as anti-ethical extremists merely because one of their character traits (being Muslim) falls into this same trap.
The action is good or it isn't. I've yet to see folks criticize the bill on its own merits days later. So I'll just write this off as folks wanting to get their virtue signaling jollies off. Per usual.
The bad faith is acting like the US prison system has any bearing in whether the US should or should not take action and whether that action in this case is good, bad or justified.
It was only compounded, by attempts to spin the argument that folks don't care about the prison system or recognize its flaws because we don't agree with a sassy tweet that has to make up a fake quote.
storyteller
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This is
Whole post is a dodge when
This an argument about practicality of the bill on merits...
And this point openly acknowledges that the end result of the action can be good.
You're defaulting to complaints about virtue signals instead of reading what people are saying.
Virtue ethics is a stain on society. Anyone whose done minimal study on the theories of right action likely gets it.
Interestingly enough folks are here channeling it, to frame an action that can be judged as right or wrong based on its own as bad.
Particularly when virtue ethics itself, is a foundation for much of the harm we see in policing, judgement, and sentencing. Even in the case of uyghurs, them being labeled as anti-ethical extremists merely because one of their character traits (being Muslim) falls into this same trap.
The action is good or it isn't. I've yet to see folks criticize the bill on its own merits days later. So I'll just write this off as folks wanting to get their virtue signaling jollies off. Per usual.
Whole post is a dodge when
This an argument about practicality of the bill on merits...
And this point openly acknowledges that the end result of the action can be good.
You're defaulting to complaints about virtue signals instead of reading what people are saying.
Nonsense. This is the issue.
I find it real hypocritical that the US can use people in jail as slave labor that looks like me but then go and point at another country that does the same thing to their citizens.
We can get into debt and jail and what making $0.58 cents a hour does for the black family/community as a whole too.
So yeah…. fukk Joe Biden
That's quite the false equivalency.
Not to me. Consideration should start at home
As usual you come in late with
and pretend we're talking about something we aren't or the conversation began somewhere else.