I give it 3 years max.
How will Joe Biden GOVERN? General Biden Administration F**kery Thread
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King Kreole
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Oh, I don't believe he's lying at all, I believe he genuinely believes the white supremacist, colonialist ideology he was espousing.He’s not lying though
The whole time we’ve been having “peace talks” with the Taliban, cars, subways and buildings have been blowing up and people have been getting butchered out in the open while they say they have no involvement or no knowledge of how it happened. SMH. The moment we leave it’s going to be absolute Hell for anyone living there. The Afghani government might as well just hand over power now...their “authority” will be a complete farce once we aren’t there to force the terrorists to pretend like they recognize it.
One must go to fundamentals. What fundamental right does the United States have to militarily occupy a foreign nation for 20 years? It is surely not the "Democracy" imperative that the United States political and military elite have invoked with such temerity, as the majority of both US and Afghani citizens desire the US military to withdraw from this occupation. It is surely not the human rights imperative that is often invoked, as there are human rights atrocities taking place in many other nations, including the United States, that doesn't seem to provoke the same invasion impulse and post-hoc rationalization, and there are atrocities taking place under American colonial stewardship that go unaddressed because doing so would be politically disadvantageous to the American politco-economic system. It is surely not a practical imperative as the US has spent 20 years trying to impose its will and build an Americanized colony out of Afghanistan and hasn't succeeded. One can only be left with the idea that the United States feels it doesn't actually need to justify its colonialist ambitions over darker nations, they are accepted as default. It's a concept deeply embedded in this nation's psyche. The idea that the United States, as a unilateral entity, has no business being at the table as the Afghani people exercise their right to self-determination and govern their internal affairs seems almost alien to those who cape for the continued colonial occupation. To these people, the entire world is just a playground for America to act out its twisted hero myths against darker peoples, a playground in which America doesn't need permission to manipulate as it pleases. But to the hundreds of millions of people who have been the victims of American foreign policy, the rationalization that America must keep colonizing their homelands to prevent "absolute Hell' from descending upon them reads like a sick joke, particularly as the real hell is very often a product of American intervention. There are justifiable causes for intervention, but I cannot think of one that would permit America to continue colonizing Afghanistan into perpetuity, particularly with America's record.
King Kreole
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88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
6 months- 1 year depending how much air support they're given probably and that's if they don't just give up power to the Taliban outright
I'm thinking we leave a large enough cia and spec ops presence to keep up appearances for a while.
Same old rugged cross, different crucified messiah
The US will never leave Afghanistan fully
It’s the only US foothold in Central Asia.
88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
I would think so too but who knows if it'll be safe to even do that...
I mean I've read about deals where there Taliban will join the government outright even
Maybe the Taliban will focus on ISIL for awhile if that's still a problem there
Ozymandeas
Veteran
Some of this is correct. I just look at it a bit differently. From the perspective of a black man, yes, America is a greedy, racist, bigoted, arrogant construct of the white male power structure. Historically this country has stuck its nose where it didn't belong, whether to steal resources, to influence events in ways that favored said agenda, to colonize, destabilize countries and install puppet governments, and because of some psychotic urge to carry out the white man's burden on darker nations. All of this is valid. But I'm a realist too. We live in a zero sum world. All of the powerful countries are monsters in their own way. We are not standing in the way of peace in these countries. America is a monster looking after its own interests, and if it didn't, "peace" would not follow. Another monster would take our place and start looking after its own interests, because those places are too weak for any other conclusion to take place. If America doesn't act as the world's military, who would? We have no true peers that align with our agenda. Mainland Europe has no real army. The UK is a mid-sized power at best. Canada is not worth talking about. Australia and New Zealand contribute nothing outside of being part of 5E. So if you say you want America to disengage from various places, you are saying you want Iran, Russia and China to start influencing these regions. Because that's what would happen. Hostile governments moving in. Or unknown variables like Turkey. Or terrorist groups taking advantage of power vacuums, fermenting and growing in strength. That's the reality. Don't get so caught up on despising America that you forget that.
Rant aside.
I don't know what the right response is in Afghanistan. But leaving isn't it. We need to stop starting wars and leaving in a worse position than when we started. Otherwise, we'll be dealing with another crisis a decade from now, or the issue will metastasize and spread to other areas of importance to us in the Middle East. Also, I don't agree with your claim that Afghani citizens want the U.S. to withdraw. It's a big ass country. You'll find opinions on both sides of the matter. What I'm sure of however is the overall sentiment is probably that people just want to be safe. The same way how Syrians just want to be safe. They don't necessarily want Assad in power. They wanted the muthafukka gone a few years ago. But they'll take peace if that's what you can call it with a corrupt President over mortar shells blowing up their five year old kid. I'm sure its the same way in Afghanistan. They just want it to be over. But, I doubt it will ever truly be over because its the fukking Taliban we're talking about. You think these muthafukkas about to join OPEC, and the UN and start making payments to the IMF. They're fukking terrorists. They've been killing and bombing civilians every other week. This isn't some pro-imperialist white supremacist colonialist ideology being spewed. This is me just reading the Washington Post or the New York Times every other day, and there's another article of 50 people being murdered in Kabul. That's life over there. I don't even know how we got to this point. The fact we're even having peace talks with the Taliban is an L. The fact that we're throwing our hands up and leaving knowing they're killing and butchering people amidst these fugazi peace talks is an L. The fact that we know the moment we leave they're going to feel more emboldened to do absolutely whatever is an L. People can't cry foul about the U.S. leaving the Kurds to their fate in Turkey and Syria, then turn around and tell Afghanis to work it out with the Taliban. Makes no sense. This will come back to bite us in the future.
ADevilYouKhow
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Putin said Biden was a killer
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Just came across this by chance
