Tmac had a shorter career.
and if you compare their stats, Melo was a more efficient scorer. which says alot because i never thought Melo was very efficient.
Tmac seems to be overrated honestly.
How was Carmelo Anthony on that top 75 list but not TMAC?
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and if you compare their stats, Melo was a more efficient scorer. which says alot because i never thought Melo was very efficient.
Tmac seems to be overrated honestly.
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I hear you but also I understand why they're keeping guys from the Top 50 list...
The Arizin and Schayes disrespect is particularly unwarranted
. Both those guys were MVP candidates multiple times (both finished as MVP runner-ups once), and both won championships as #1's. Dolph had a fairly lengthy prime and took the Nats to two Finals appearances. We gotta remember we aren't judging players based on times they didn't play in, you're looking at what guys were in their own time...In their era, the 50s NBA, all three were amongst the greatest players alive. They deserve their flowers for it, particularly the two players who were the top guys OK championship teams...
Unless something changes, AD is the one who will look really questionable as time goes on. He had a reasonably high peak but a short prime, and wasn't a winner, he missed The Tournament a lot. He doesnt appear dedicated to the craft or to improving...
Again he's only a decade in, in an era where ballers are playing increasingly longer, so this could turn around in years to come and justify his inclusion. As it stands though of all the guys mentioned in this thread, he's the guy, not Dame or Melo or any of the OGs, Anthony Davis is one of the guys who should be off in favor of Dwight or Mac!
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Mac was more efficient in the postseason and was a better player than Melo in all the major skills of passing, rebounding, scoring, and even though he also wasn't known as a defender he was better on that side too...
The fact that Tmac shot a lower fg% on average than Melo, tells me he was just a chucker with a green light. Melo was forcing up shots after jab steps with hands in his face his entire career. No legit superstar should be less efficient than him
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Davis is without a doubt worthy of being on this list…I hear you but also I understand why they're keeping guys from the Top 50 list...
The Arizin and Schayes disrespect is particularly unwarranted
In their era, the 50s NBA, all three were amongst the greatest players alive. They deserve their flowers for it, particularly the two players who were the top guys OK championship teams...
Unless something changes, AD is the one who will look really questionable as time goes on. He had a reasonably high peak but a short prime, and wasn't a winner, he missed The Tournament a lot. He doesnt appear dedicated to the craft or to improving...
Again he's only a decade in, in an era where ballers are playing increasingly longer, so this could turn around in years to come and justify his inclusion. As it stands though of all the guys mentioned in this thread, he's the guy, not Dame or Melo or any of the OGs, Anthony Davis is one of the guys who should be off in favor of Dwight or Mac!
This is what he’s accomplished through his age 29 season…this is one of the best PF resumes of All-Time.
Davis is a winner he has won on every level (college, pros, international). Those New Orleans teams weren’t good and were outmatched in the playoffs facing the dynasty Warriors as a severe underdog twice. It’s not like he never got to the playoffs with them or was a first round virgin.
It’s also not true that he’s not dedicated to the craft or improving. In fact he is one of the most improved players since entering the league. Since his rookie year he has expanded his offensive game tenfold coming into the league as a lanky vertical spacer into a complete big man offensively and has also developed his body.
Davis is better than both Howard and McGrady. The man who has no business here who was part of the new additions and I’ll say it again is Dennis Rodman.
- NBA champion (2020)
- 8× NBA All-Star (2014–2021)
- NBA All-Star Game MVP (2017)
- 4× All-NBA First Team (2015, 2017, 2018, 2020)
- 2× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2018, 2020)
- 2× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2015, 2017)
- 3× NBA blocks leader (2014, 2015, 2018)
- NBA All-Rookie First Team (2013)
- NBA 75th Anniversary Team
- NCAA champion (2012)
- NCAA Final Four Most Outstanding Player(2012)
- National college player of the year (2012)
- Consensus first-team All-American (2012)
- NABC Defensive Player of the Year (2012)
- USBWA National Freshman of the Year (2012)
- SEC Player of the Year (2012)
- NCAA blocks leader (2012)
- SEC Defensive Player of the Year (2012)
- SEC Rookie of the Year (2012)
- First-team Parade All-American (2011)
- McDonald's All-American (2011)
Medals
Men's basketball Representing the United States
Olympic Games World Cup 
2012 London Team
2014 Spain Team
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Davis is without a doubt worthy of being on this list…
This is what he’s accomplished through his age 29 season…this is one of the best PF resumes of All-Time.
Davis is a winner he has won on every level (college, pros, international). Those New Orleans teams weren’t good and were outmatched in the playoffs facing the dynasty Warriors as a severe underdog twice. It’s not like he never got to the playoffs with them or was a first round virgin.
It’s also not true that he’s not dedicated to the craft or improving. In fact he is one of the most improved players since entering the league. Since his rookie year he has expanded his offensive game tenfold coming into the league as a lanky vertical spacer into a complete big man offensively and has also developed his body.
Davis is better than both Howard and McGrady. The man who has no business here who was part of the new additions and I’ll say it again is Dennis Rodman.
- NBA champion (2020)
- 8× NBA All-Star (2014–2021)
- NBA All-Star Game MVP (2017)
- 4× All-NBA First Team (2015, 2017, 2018, 2020)
- 2× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2018, 2020)
- 2× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2015, 2017)
- 3× NBA blocks leader (2014, 2015, 2018)
- NBA All-Rookie First Team (2013)
- NBA 75th Anniversary Team
- NCAA champion (2012)
- NCAA Final Four Most Outstanding Player(2012)
- National college player of the year (2012)
- Consensus first-team All-American (2012)
- NABC Defensive Player of the Year (2012)
- USBWA National Freshman of the Year (2012)
- SEC Player of the Year (2012)
- NCAA blocks leader (2012)
- SEC Defensive Player of the Year (2012)
- SEC Rookie of the Year (2012)
- First-team Parade All-American (2011)
- McDonald's All-American (2011)
Medals
World Cup Olympic Games Representing the United StatesMen's basketball 2012 London Team 2014 Spain Team
you really have an ax to grind with Rodman...In the 7 seasons before Davis got to Nola, they averaged 41.6 wins/year and made the playoffs three times. In the 7 years with AD they dropped to 35.9 wins/year and made the playoffs twice...
I'm not drafting a guy #1 overall to make us worse than we were before him, and we were obviously pretty bad to get the first pick. His time in New Orleans was an absolute failure, especially juxtaposed to what a 6' point guard was able to elevate the franchise with prior to Davis...
I guess I should clarify, I don't know that he's a winner at the pro level, and NBA75 doesn't consider collegiate accomplishments, it's a professional reward. A superstar player who missed the playoffs 5 of his first 7 years isn't someone I classify as a winning basketball player, especially juxtaposed with the oft-compared to Kevin Garnett, and what he had to carry in Minnesota his first 7 years...
He absolutely does not have one of the best PF resumes, his NBA resume is inferior compared directly to Dolph Schayes, and please don't do the time machine thing on what AD would do in the 50s. If AD was born in 1928 he wouldn't have the skillset he has being born in 1993...
Bruh, it's been widely reported that AD has shown up to both of the last two seasons out of shape, that's not dedication. His injuries coming as often as they have point to a laziness in conditioning, because he rarely suffers severe injuries, he catches the kind of injuries that if he was better conditioned would sideline him far less often...
I'm just not big on guys who don't display the commitment. His commitment post-championship has been widely criticized...
His prime was shorter than Dwight's and McGrady's, who didn't exactly have the longest primes either. Dwight didn't provide anything close to AD on offense but was a bigger plus defensively. McGrady didn't provide the defensive impact but was a bigger plus offensively. McGrady never won a series but was in The Tournament way more often. Dwight was in the playoffs every year he was a star player with a couple deep runs. You have to really stretch to call AD better than these two, a "skillset challenge" is irrelevant because these guys primed at different times and had different roles to boot, so just show me the results...
I'm not a Rodman homer, and in general I have an issue with career role players making NBA75, so I don't necessarily disagree with questioning Rodman's inclusion; how the hell are you one of the 75 greatest ever when you were a role player your entire career? But he was the perfect player for his role, one of the most versatile defenders and rebounder ever, a guy you wanted on your team. Rodman at his very best was giving you 10 and 12 with A1 defense and a toughness and intimidation factor the opponent had to account for...
Nobody has ever thought Anthony Davis is a guy you need on your team. Sure, he's much better than Rodman in a vacuum, and I'd have him on the team over Rodman----->but I wouldn't have placed Davis on the team over McGrady, Dame, or Melo. His NBA career leaves alot to be desired and winning with LeBron doesn't sway me for guys who did next to nothing without LeBron...
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The teams AD was on were much different than that of CP3’s. Hornets with CP3 weren’t very good either outside of 2,3 years particularly their 56 win season where they had a pretty nice nucleus of West, Peja, Tyson, Mo Pete.
In the 7 seasons before Davis got to Nola, they averaged 41.6 wins/year and made the playoffs three times. In the 7 years with AD they dropped to 35.9 wins/year and made the playoffs twice...
I'm not drafting a guy #1 overall to make us worse than we were before him, and we were obviously pretty bad to get the first pick. His time in New Orleans was an absolute failure, especially juxtaposed to what a 6' point guard was able to elevate the franchise with prior to Davis...
I guess I should clarify, I don't know that he's a winner at the pro level, and NBA75 doesn't consider collegiate accomplishments, it's a professional reward. A superstar player who missed the playoffs 5 of his first 7 years isn't someone I classify as a winning basketball player, especially juxtaposed with the oft-compared to Kevin Garnett, and what he had to carry in Minnesota his first 7 years...
He absolutely does not have one of the best PF resumes, his NBA resume is inferior compared directly to Dolph Schayes, and please don't do the time machine thing on what AD would do in the 50s. If AD was born in 1928 he wouldn't have the skillset he has being born in 1993...
Bruh, it's been widely reported that AD has shown up to both of the last two seasons out of shape, that's not dedication. His injuries coming as often as they have point to a laziness in conditioning, because he rarely suffers severe injuries, he catches the kind of injuries that if he was better conditioned would sideline him far less often...
I'm just not big on guys who don't display the commitment. His commitment post-championship has been widely criticized...
His prime was shorter than Dwight's and McGrady's, who didn't exactly have the longest primes either. Dwight didn't provide anything close to AD on offense but was a bigger plus defensively. McGrady didn't provide the defensive impact but was a bigger plus offensively. McGrady never won a series but was in The Tournament way more often. Dwight was in the playoffs every year he was a star player with a couple deep runs. You have to really stretch to call AD better than these two, a "skillset challenge" is irrelevant because these guys primed at different times and had different roles to boot, so just show me the results...
I'm not a Rodman homer, and in general I have an issue with career role players making NBA75, so I don't necessarily disagree with questioning Rodman's inclusion; how the hell are you one of the 75 greatest ever when you were a role player your entire career? But he was the perfect player for his role, one of the most versatile defenders and rebounder ever, a guy you wanted on your team. Rodman at his very best was giving you 10 and 12 with A1 defense and a toughness and intimidation factor the opponent had to account for...
Nobody has ever thought Anthony Davis is a guy you need on your team. Sure, he's much better than Rodman in a vacuum, and I'd have him on the team over Rodman----->but I wouldn't have placed Davis on the team over McGrady, Dame, or Melo. His NBA career leaves alot to be desired and winning with LeBron doesn't sway me for guys who did next to nothing without LeBron...
These guys playoff resumes are inferior to Davis. Davis won a championship playing with LeBron that should not be a knock that is part of his resume and he did so in dominating fashion on both ends where he played a strong 1B role. Being such a major part of a championship outweighs some other guys extra playoff appearances where they were early exits. Just having a championship where he played at a dominant level is a big leg up over many players in the top 75 who never even won.
AD didn't always make the playoffs in New Orleans but when he did he put up dominant numbers. He was just a severe underdog going against the Warriors and unlike McGrady he managed to get out the First Round—and that Blazers series was an upset. In those seasons New Orleans missed the playoffs a deeper dive and you'll see they had seasons that were injury riddled where they had up to 26 different guys suit up, that organization was known for one of the worst medical staffs in the league.
Davis is better than McGrady and more accomplished as well. He has more All-Star appearances, a championship, more All-NBA Defensive teams, more All-NBA First Teams and this is all through his age 29 season he isn't done racking up accolades and counting stats.
Howard vs. Davis is a bit tougher to gauge but Davis is absolutely more skilled on the offensive end and that counts for a lot. If the argument is Howard's deep runs it has to be noted how well built those Magic teams were around Howard and how well coached they were. These guys like Turkoglu and Lewis were mismatch nightmares.
I’m not a sports doctor I don’t know why AD so fragile.
He gained weight specifically to bang with 5’s this year. I wouldn’t say dude doesn’t care about the craft he has put on over 30 pounds of mass since entering the league, improved his offense tenfold, even on defense has become more disciplined. He clearly cares and works very hard.
Nobody has ever thought Anthony Davis is a guy you need on your team? AD right now coming off a down year if put on the trade market would command a load and garner interest from several franchises throughout the league.
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Chauncey was the main man of that Denver team
nobody has ever thought that?
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He was the type of player that complements Carmelo just like Jason Kidd did when he was in NY. A pass first point guard that can hit buckets.
Melo hate has always been overblown.
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My man stop looking at points per game.
Billups was the most impactful player and leader on those teams.
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The teams AD was on were much different than that of CP3’s. Hornets with CP3 weren’t very good either outside of 2,3 years particularly their 56 win season where they had a pretty nice nucleus of West, Peja, Tyson, Mo Pete.
These guys playoff resumes are inferior to Davis. Davis won a championship playing with LeBron that should not be a knock that is part of his resume and he did so in dominating fashion on both ends where he played a strong 1B role. Being such a major part of a championship outweighs some other guys extra playoff appearances where they were early exits. Just having a championship where he played at a dominant level is a big leg up over many players in the top 75 who never even won.
AD didn't always make the playoffs in New Orleans but when he did he put up dominant numbers. He was just a severe underdog going against the Warriors and unlike McGrady he managed to get out the First Round—and that Blazers series was an upset. In those seasons New Orleans missed the playoffs a deeper dive and you'll see they had seasons that were injury riddled where they had up to 26 different guys suit up, that organization was known for one of the worst medical staffs in the league.
Davis is better than McGrady and more accomplished as well. He has more All-Star appearances, a championship, more All-NBA Defensive teams, more All-NBA First Teams and this is all through his age 29 season he isn't done racking up accolades and counting stats.
Howard vs. Davis is a bit tougher to gauge but Davis is absolutely more skilled on the offensive end and that counts for a lot. If the argument is Howard's deep runs it has to be noted how well built those Magic teams were around Howard and how well coached they were. These guys like Turkoglu and Lewis were mismatch nightmares.
I’m not a sports doctor I don’t know why AD so fragile.
He gained weight specifically to bang with 5’s this year. I wouldn’t say dude doesn’t care about the craft he has put on over 30 pounds of mass since entering the league, improved his offense tenfold, even on defense has become more disciplined. He clearly cares and works very hard.
Nobody has ever thought Anthony Davis is a guy you need on your team? AD right now coming off a down year if put on the trade market would command a load and garner interest from several franchises throughout the league.
nobody has ever thought that?
I'm not intellectualizing my thoughts properly, when I say "nobody" thought AD was a guy you absolutely needed on your team, I don't mean it in the literal sense. What I'm trying to convey is this: two franchises won a combined 5 championships with Dennis Rodman as part of their core. He was a career role player, which as I said doesn't justify him being NBA75 in my eyes, but the fact he was a highly touted and respected role player for multiple teams and 5 championship runs (could have been 6 with the '88 Pistons) has to mean something...
It means something to me. There is a contrast reputation-wise, speaking strictly on court value, in how Rodman was regarded in comparison to Davis. Clearly, I don't think and I'm not saying Rodman was anything close to the player AD was (is?). But his role was proven over and over and over again to contribute to championship contention...
Davis has left alot on the table as a #1 overall pick. I didn't say his Nola teams were built as well as Paul's, but what I am saying is the franchise floundered WORSE with a 6'10 versatile big who was widely touted as a generational talent coming outta UK...
His results in the NBA are well below the expectations of him entering The League a decade ago and I don't think it can be argued otherwise...
That said, I'm not shytting on what he has accomplished, he did it and it counts, but McGrady also wins a title or more if the Duncan deal goes thru. If Dwight gets to LA just three years earlier he gets a title or few. If Chauncey was younger that Denver team may have had some longevity as a contender and the conversation about Melo would be similar to the case made for AD currently...
We saw 7 years in NO, he was great in that championship year bit hrs done absolutely nothing before or after that consistently to instill confidence that ANTHONY DAVIS is the linchpin of title contention, so in this case he lucked into an opportunity similar stature guys (see Melo, Dame, Mac) weren't afforded..
TLDR---->there is no pattern of winning following Anthony Davis, and if were going strictly off production each one of those guys has a case over him just as he does for them. He has never distinguished himself in my eyes...
Granted, ink still wet, his story isn't done, but I'm not at all buying him over these three guys as cavalier as you believe. They are more or less all of similar stature...
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Rodman's reputation and legend has grown as the years have gone by due to his appearance in pop culture and the media, his overall celebrity, overdramatized 30 for 30 documentaries, the mythologization of the 80's and 90's NBA era and his contribution to the culture and lore of two classic NBA franchises and the league overall. Rodman was fortunate to land on the right teams. If both Davis and Rodman were in the league at the same time I don't think there's any way in hell he would be more regarded than Davis. People was not talking about Rodman in the positive light that they are today in 1995.
It's to be seen how Davis legacy and reputation will grow as his career goes on and into retirement but he isn't a particularly popular player or have a very interesting persona. I don't see him as a guy who will be a talking head or media guy but we'll see...
I think Davis critiques about winning are unfair if he is healthy and has talent around him this is a guy that can clearly contribute to winning and make the playoffs and all that good stuff. The situation in New Orleans has to be looked at with a more critical eye (medical staff, front office decisions, coaching quality and coaching changes, quality of supporting cast, etc.).
As a basketball player when it comes to ability AD is far beyond a Carmelo Anthony. This resume--->8x All-Star, 4x All-NBA First Team, 4x All-Defensive Team, NBA Title by his age 29 season, combined with his actual skills on the court what he can do his sheer versatility from the offensive end to the defensive end, when you couple that with his status as a transcendent big man prodigy in the lineage of guys like Russell and Ewing coming out of college, winning a Natty, yeah to me this is clearly one of the 75 greatest players in league history easily.
His only knock is his health and he hasn't been in the playoffs consistently because a large portion of his career was wasted on a garbage organization but when he has been there he has dominated without doubt...
Given he actually did win a championship in dominant fashion I don't see how anyone of those fringe guys has a case over him. Their resumes just don't stack up accolade for accolade and they don't stack up skill for skill either. Those guys generally played on more steady organizations and were able to make more playoff appearances but that to me isn't a huge factor as far as the list goes.