The Devil's Advocate
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one comes before, the other afterBoth groups basically say not to get married, especially to western women.
MGTOW dudes date and have sex with women but won't have children or get married.
Both groups basically see marriage and having a family as impossible unless you wanna get fukked over by getting cheated on, treated like shyt, controlled, divorced and taken for alimony and child support etc.
that other shyt sounds like a lifestyle... never do this that and the third
GMB comes after you get fukked over... hey if you love her you love her... congrats..
but the second you get fukked over.......................... #GMB