How feasible is bartering as a method to helping us get out of this hole we're in as a people?
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I'm not exactly sure what you're asking to be honest. Bartering what with whom and to what end?
yardman
Mad movements!
The basis of bartering is exchanging goods and services. What I'm proposing is black people doing that with each other because one thing we lack as a people is trust especially when it comes to money. So if bartering is practiced among one another then trust can be built and eventually enough trust can be garnered to the point where money can be brought into the mix. The end goal is trust. Other communities have it and we don't. So exercises should be utilized to gain just that. Like for instance I've heard the examples of the cleaners handling the mechanics clothes and the mechanic deals with the cleaners car. A symbiotic relationship of sorts.
I don't believe that bartering on a wide scale can exist in an economy with money. Before there was a singular currency, trading goods and services was acceptable because that's all you could do. Now when you want a good or service you trade money, and money is redeemable for a good or service.
People can still do things for others with no expectation of payment. The sad thing is, so many people want to get one over on other people. Look no further than some of the threads that pop up periodically in TLR. There's always posters talking about trying to finesse someone out of something. Why does it have to be that way? It's behavior like that which creates mistrust. To start, people have to stop trying to take advantage of others. On top of that, when you do something for someone else you shouldn't be expecting anything in return. Often times you'll just end up resenting that other person. If they do something in return for you then take it as a pleasant occurrence. We have to remove the mindset of, "what do I get out of it?"
People can still do things for others with no expectation of payment. The sad thing is, so many people want to get one over on other people. Look no further than some of the threads that pop up periodically in TLR. There's always posters talking about trying to finesse someone out of something. Why does it have to be that way? It's behavior like that which creates mistrust. To start, people have to stop trying to take advantage of others. On top of that, when you do something for someone else you shouldn't be expecting anything in return. Often times you'll just end up resenting that other person. If they do something in return for you then take it as a pleasant occurrence. We have to remove the mindset of, "what do I get out of it?"
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
it would do nothing, humanity has never stopped bartering in a technical sense and never will, the way to look at money is that money is simply a more efficient way of bartering, so going back to the bartering that you are referring to would make black people less efficient
black people have to do the opposite of what you are suggesting, instead of going backwards to old school bartering and living in cash based economies as we currently do we need to move forward to more advanced financial tools like owning stocks and property and establishing more banks
the key to having a prosperous community is having an effective banking system or financing system. a bank is allowed to lend out 7 to 10 times its deposits Fractional-reserve banking - Wikipedia
so every time we build a bank we are multiplying the money available in the community money 7 to 10 times
so my suggestion is that we need to open up more banks and own more property and stocks
black people have to do the opposite of what you are suggesting, instead of going backwards to old school bartering and living in cash based economies as we currently do we need to move forward to more advanced financial tools like owning stocks and property and establishing more banks
the key to having a prosperous community is having an effective banking system or financing system. a bank is allowed to lend out 7 to 10 times its deposits Fractional-reserve banking - Wikipedia
so every time we build a bank we are multiplying the money available in the community money 7 to 10 times
so my suggestion is that we need to open up more banks and own more property and stocks
notPsychosiz
I started this gangsta sh-
Re-inventing trade is no solution to anything.
You will not solve your problems because you are afraid to even address them. Every other thread around here is ppl pretending that family structure or education or trade or some other minor component is the problem.
The problem is cacs.
Get rid of your problem, and there is your solution.
Everyday, more suplicant threads prawning ways to co-exist with your oppessors.
You will not solve your problems because you are afraid to even address them. Every other thread around here is ppl pretending that family structure or education or trade or some other minor component is the problem.
The problem is cacs.
Get rid of your problem, and there is your solution.
Everyday, more suplicant threads prawning ways to co-exist with your oppessors.
It's not a bad idea and is an open field to be dominated by Black people as there's no central bartering regulation agency. No matter who you are as a spender of the US dollar, banker, athlete, laborer, broker, you're dependent upon the federal reserve and must constantly invest or be concerned with things that make the dollar more or less valuable. Bartering would at least mean somewhat of an independence from that and allows you to bypass the approval of influential government agencies, namely the I the R and the S
yardman
Mad movements!
Re-inventing trade is no solution to anything.
You will not solve your problems because you are afraid to even address them. Every other thread around here is ppl pretending that family structure or education or trade or some other minor component is the problem.
The problem is cacs.
Get rid of your problem, and there is your solution.
Everyday, more suplicant threads prawning ways to co-exist with your oppessors.
You don't even know me nor my post history but yet you think I believe in cohabitation with these 2 legged beasts. You even think that's the underlying premise of my thread
I like this idea, especially for services and quid pro quo. It would make us more invested in each others success if more able minded people means we can offer greater rewards and benefits to each other without financial or material gains being the end all be all. Other groups barter all the time, one hand washes the other and both hands wash the face.
Please define...
"this hole we're in as a people"
I ask because...
1. I've noticed a lot of the issues people bring up are often times regional/"class" issues other people don't deal with.
(There are alot of issues that can be fixed by simply moving to a new city*if you can afford it*)
2. You spoke earlier about the narrow issue of trust
(so I'm not sure how broad an issue you expect bartering to fix)
"this hole we're in as a people"
I ask because...
1. I've noticed a lot of the issues people bring up are often times regional/"class" issues other people don't deal with.
(There are alot of issues that can be fixed by simply moving to a new city*if you can afford it*)
2. You spoke earlier about the narrow issue of trust
(so I'm not sure how broad an issue you expect bartering to fix)
yardman
Mad movements!
It's just a spoke in the wheel. We have a multitude of issues. And a lot of em lead back to a lack of trust. Camaraderie other groups have are built on the basis of culture and unifiying hustory. Black people have a semblance of both but we don't connect nor do we mesh like we should. External factors are in effect constantly no doubt. Anyways the purpose of bartering as it pertains to what I'm getting at is building trust primarily. The benefits other than trust are secondary or even tertiary. And this suggestion is mainly for the poorer class of us which is a large minority. Another method that I should've added is family and extended family shacking up to build like I see immigrant groups.(I should've prefaced it precisely before posting my OP)
Side note: Trust is far from a narrow issue. It's a major one.
So the question is
How feasible is bartering as a method to helping us (build trust) as a people (especially the impoverished)?
Side Note: A thing being "narrow" and being "major"(important) aren't mutually exclusive.
(food is extremely important but it is a narrow issue if focused on in isolation)
I mention this cause often people try and come up with "magic brick" solutions(I'm not saying you are) to all the ills of the people. So I like to press people to clarify what exactly are they looking to fix to make sure we're not dealing with another "magic bick" - If we put this one thing in place EVERYTHING else will follow ...hmmmm no. The whole foundation and corner stones have to be laid. You can't balance a construction on top of one brick.
Again I'm not saying you are doing that that ...you said as much already "It's just a spoke in the wheel. We have a multitude of issues." So if that's the part you want to work on I say go for it.
People will trust you when you deliver on the needs that their environment requires. If you can meet those need via bartering go for it.
EDIT:
I'm reminded of both Dr. John Henrik Clarke and Dr. Edwin J Nichols.
Dr. John Henrik Clarke:(paraphrase of his assessment on communism/socialism)
The primary issue for Europeans is class & economics
The traditional primary issue for Africans is status, spirituality & culture
Dr. Edwin J Nichols:(paraphrase of his assessment on Axiology)
The primary orientation for Europeans is man to object
The traditional primary orientation for Africans is man to man
Word of Caution:
Applied to your situation, however objectively good your service sounds on paper people may want to jump in on a ball that's already rolling, having some semblance of comforting familiarity(or as the cacs call it "consumer confidence") & status with other people. Which puts you in a position to have to build personal man to man relationships(or as the cacs call it "branding yourself") as a base to offer your services as opposed to simply pointing the man to object so that the object can sell it self.
Or maybe i'm over thinking it....
Put Simply: You may have to find away to build trust before people even trust you enough to barter with you ...in order for you to build that extra trust you're looking to generate.
How feasible is bartering as a method to helping us (build trust) as a people (especially the impoverished)?
Side Note: A thing being "narrow" and being "major"(important) aren't mutually exclusive.
(food is extremely important but it is a narrow issue if focused on in isolation)
I mention this cause often people try and come up with "magic brick" solutions(I'm not saying you are) to all the ills of the people. So I like to press people to clarify what exactly are they looking to fix to make sure we're not dealing with another "magic bick" - If we put this one thing in place EVERYTHING else will follow ...hmmmm no. The whole foundation and corner stones have to be laid. You can't balance a construction on top of one brick.
Again I'm not saying you are doing that that ...you said as much already "It's just a spoke in the wheel. We have a multitude of issues." So if that's the part you want to work on I say go for it.
People will trust you when you deliver on the needs that their environment requires. If you can meet those need via bartering go for it.EDIT:
I'm reminded of both Dr. John Henrik Clarke and Dr. Edwin J Nichols.
Dr. John Henrik Clarke:(paraphrase of his assessment on communism/socialism)
The primary issue for Europeans is class & economics
The traditional primary issue for Africans is status, spirituality & culture
Dr. Edwin J Nichols:(paraphrase of his assessment on Axiology)
The primary orientation for Europeans is man to object
The traditional primary orientation for Africans is man to man
Word of Caution:
Applied to your situation, however objectively good your service sounds on paper people may want to jump in on a ball that's already rolling, having some semblance of comforting familiarity(or as the cacs call it "consumer confidence") & status with other people. Which puts you in a position to have to build personal man to man relationships(or as the cacs call it "branding yourself") as a base to offer your services as opposed to simply pointing the man to object so that the object can sell it self.
Or maybe i'm over thinking it....
Put Simply: You may have to find away to build trust before people even trust you enough to barter with you ...in order for you to build that extra trust you're looking to generate.
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The OP is incredibly stupid. It's almost pitiful.
& worst of all, the responses in this thread are legitimising this nonsense by responding to him seriously.
As someone who lives in the UK and looks outwards to the USA, I would hope this nonsensical and worthless venom I see posted on the coli doesn't represent even a minority of what real, successful and progressive Black Americans think. I would hope its just the bitter and angry ramblings of dry dikk, no hope in life, basement dwelling losers.
& worst of all, the responses in this thread are legitimising this nonsense by responding to him seriously.
As someone who lives in the UK and looks outwards to the USA, I would hope this nonsensical and worthless venom I see posted on the coli doesn't represent even a minority of what real, successful and progressive Black Americans think. I would hope its just the bitter and angry ramblings of dry dikk, no hope in life, basement dwelling losers.
Swore this said "bartending" at first. 