How does the National Debt affect the average citizen?

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unmanageable how? we're talking about the united states aren't we? the biggest economy in the world? we're not defaulting... ever. the entire world depends on us. It's mostly a scare tactic that these retard republicans embrace because they know they can't win in november. You got to run these big deficits in the interim to get out of this slowing economy. You know cutting spending is just going to hurt jobs, right?

i wasnt giving any policy advice i was just explaining the arithmetic and defining the terms

unmanageable is when the debt payments are too close to the amount of revenue, its called arithmetic, thats why clinton made a point to get rid of the deficit

i actually agree that the us will not default but thats because i think eventually cuts will be made and taxes will be raised, i think its inevitable, because the deficit is out of control, anybody that uses arithmetic will see that
 

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i dont get this question, the government spends 343 billion paying debt, thats 343 billion its not spending on other things, why is that hard to understand how it effects you?


didnt you just say you think the government should spend money on healthcare and other things? if the government is spending money paying off its debt then obviously it cant spend it on other things

But they can print more money or borrow more money, and like another poster said it would be damn there impossible for the country to default on it's loans. So I'm not seeing how this affects me. It's seems like my choices are either make sacrifices now, or pay for them later. Why should I scarifice healthcare now, as opposed to paying for it later? I need it now, and hopefully later I will be better off and able to pay for it.

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the government operates the exact same way you operate, if you come up short when paying your rent and you have to borrow $100, then your deficit for that month is $100

but lets say the person you borrowed it from wants $20 interest

so now your deficit is $100 and your debt is $120

so the next month if you come up $100 short again and borrow, your deficit is still $100 but your debt will be $240 and so on

at some point if you continue to have a deficit you will be unable to pay your actual debt
:ohhh: that makes sense for the individual, but I just don't see the federal government not being able to pay its own debts. And what happens if we can't, will the federal gov start getting collection calls, or getting their wages garnished? Can they come repo our healthcare or education plans?
 

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But they can print more money or borrow more money, and like another poster said it would be damn there impossible for the country to default on it's loans. So I'm not seeing how this affects me. It's seems like my choices are either make sacrifices now, or pay for them later. Why should I scarifice healthcare now, as opposed to paying for it later? I need it now, and hopefully later I will be better off and able to pay for it.


:ohhh: that makes sense for the individual, but I just don't see the federal government not being able to pay its own debts. And what happens if we can't, will the federal gov start getting collection calls, or getting their wages garnished? Can they come repo our healthcare or education plans?


if we default it de-values the dollar so you would need to pay $100 for a cheeseburger in the UK using US currency! The interest rates would go through the roof because investors would not trust the United states ability to pay back people and our currenct:



We owe it to the people and entities that have bought or received U. S. debt instruments, such as Savings Bonds, Treasury Notes or Treasury Bills.
That includes:
Average folks like us
Large and small corporations
Banks
Pension funds
Insurance companies
Various U. S. government entities such as the Social Security Trust Fund
State and local government entities
Foreign investors
Foreign corporations
Foreign governments
For more information:
The Public Debt Online (U. S. Treasury, Department of the Public Debt)
Treasury Bulletin (U. S. Treasury, Financial Management Service)
 

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:ohhh: that makes sense for the individual, but I just don't see the federal government not being able to pay its own debts. And what happens if we can't, will the federal gov start getting collection calls, or getting their wages garnished? Can they come repo our healthcare or education plans?


yup, it would mess up social security companies that bought bonds (loaned the government money)

The government is just a bussiness that raises money through taxes and borrowing money. If the US defaults Wall Street will burn down DC.
 

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if we default it de-values the dollar so you would need to pay $100 for a cheeseburger in the UK using US currency! The interest rates would go through the roof because investors would not trust the United states ability to pay back people and our currenct:



We owe it to the people and entities that have bought or received U. S. debt instruments, such as Savings Bonds, Treasury Notes or Treasury Bills.
That includes:
Average folks like us
Large and small corporations
Banks
Pension funds
Insurance companies
Various U. S. government entities such as the Social Security Trust Fund
State and local government entities
Foreign investors
Foreign corporations
Foreign governments
For more information:
The Public Debt Online (U. S. Treasury, Department of the Public Debt)
Treasury Bulletin (U. S. Treasury, Financial Management Service)

Ok I can see that. But how realistic is it. Is the government really that likely default? Will cutting welfare and education now, really have that much of an affect on the future?
 

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But they can print more money or borrow more money, and like another poster said it would be damn there impossible for the country to default on it's loans. So I'm not seeing how this affects me. It's seems like my choices are either make sacrifices now, or pay for them later. Why should I scarifice healthcare now, as opposed to paying for it later? I need it now, and hopefully later I will be better off and able to pay for it.

i dont know where you got that information from, but the federal government cannot print any money, the federal reserve prints money, the federal reserve and the federal government are separate entities, the federal government doesnt get money from the federal reserve, it gets money from your paycheck

and its true that the us government wont default, because at the end of the day the government will cut back services or raise taxes or both to pay its debts to make sure it wont default

as to how it effects, i have no idea how it effects you personally, but you asked how the nationale debt effects the citizen and im answering the question, it effects the citizen in that the government spends 343 billion dollars every year paying the debt, if you dont think the government paying 343 billion dollars in debt effects you then so be it, but the money is coming from your paycheck

i wasnt giving policy advice, i was just explaining how it works

debt obviously only effects you in the future it doesnt effect you today... so
of course you can borrow now to pay for health care and other services, just like 20 years ago the government borrowed 343 billion dollars to pay for services and then we are paying it now

this is the budget
Budget-Pie-Chart.jpg


im not sure why you dont understand how 300 billion in debt payments effect the taxpayer, if you are spending money on debt payments then obviously you cant spend money on other things, im not sure why that doesnt make sense

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ohhh: that makes sense for the individual, but I just don't see the federal government not being able to pay its own debts. And what happens if we can't, will the federal gov start getting collection calls, or getting their wages garnished? Can they come repo our healthcare or education plans?

i agree 100% that the government will always pay its debts, what i am saying is that it will cut back services and raise taxes to make sure the debt is paid

and nah it wont repo your health care or education plan, it will simply cut back your health care and education plans, but thats in the future, so in that sense it doesnt effect you, but you can live it up now :ahh: and leave the hard choices till later :noah:
 

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i dont know where you got that information from, but the federal government cannot print any money, the federal reserve prints money, the federal reserve and the federal government are separate entities, the federal government doesnt get money from the federal reserve, it gets money from your paycheck

and its true that the us government wont default, because at the end of the day the government will cut back services or raise taxes or both to pay its debts to make sure it wont default

as to how it effects, i have no idea how it effects you personally, but you asked how the nationale debt effects the citizen and im answering the question, it effects the citizen in that the government spends 343 billion dollars every year paying the debt, if you dont think the government paying 343 billion dollars in debt effects you then so be it, but the money is coming from your paycheck

i wasnt giving policy advice, i was just explaining how it works

debt obviously only effects you in the future it doesnt effect you today... so
of course you can borrow now to pay for health care and other services, just like 20 years ago the government borrowed 343 billion dollars to pay for services and then we are paying it now

this is the budget
Budget-Pie-Chart.jpg


im not sure why you dont understand how 300 billion in debt payments effect the taxpayer, if you are spending money on debt payments then obviously you cant spend money on other things, im not sure why that doesnt make sense

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i agree 100% that the government will always pay its debts, what i am saying is that it will cut back services and raise taxes to make sure the debt is paid

and nah it wont repo your health care or education plan, it will simply cut back your health care and education plans, but thats in the future, so in that sense it doesnt effect you, but you can live it up now :ahh: and leave the hard choices till later :noah:

Ok thanks allot for responding. I know more now than I did earlier today so thanks:cheers:

Now I can make a more informed descision in the voting booth.
 

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I understand all that, but how will it really affect the future tax payers? I know we all pay taxes but how will their daily lives be affected?

Sorry to sound so misinformed on the issue but truth is I never understood the worry about the national debt. Can china repo the country or something?

no, if we cut business with china theyd be lookin :flabbynsick:
 

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At the end of the day they're just numbers on screens, I wouldn't worry about it.
 

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A tad-bit late, nonetheless, I found the proceeding to be highly informative:

How the National Debt Affects Everyone
Given that the national debt has recently grown faster than the size of the American population, it is fair to wonder how this growing debt affects average individuals. While it may not be obvious, national debt levels directly affect people in at least five direct ways.

First, as the national debt per capita increases, the likelihood of the government defaulting on its debt service obligation increases, and therefore the Treasury Department will have to raise the yield on newly issued treasury securities in order to attract new investors. This reduces the amount of tax revenue available to spend on other governmental services, because more tax revenue will have to be paid out as interest on the national debt. Over time, this shift in expenditures will cause people to experience a lower standard of living, as borrowing for economic enhancement projects becomes more difficult.

Second, as the rate offered on treasury securities increases, corporations operating in America will be viewed as riskier, also necessitating an increase in the yield on newly issued bonds. This in turn will require corporations to raise the price of their products and services in order to meet the increased cost of their debt service obligation. Over time, this will cause people to pay more for goods and services, resulting in inflation.

Third, as the yield offered on treasury securities increases, the cost of borrowing money to purchase a home will also increase, because the cost of money in the mortgage lending market is directly tied to the short-term interest rates set by the Federal Reserve, and the yield offered on treasury securities issued by the Treasury Department. Given this established interrelationship, an increase in interest rates will push home prices down, because prospective home buyers will no longer qualify for as large of a mortgage loan, since they will have to pay more of their money to cover the interest expense on the loan that they receive. The result will be more downward pressure on the value of homes, which in turn will reduce the net worth of all home owners.

Fourth, since the yield on U.S. Treasury securities is currently considered a risk-free rate of return and as the yield on these securities increases, risky investments such as corporate debt and equity investments will lose appeal. This phenomenon is a direct result of the fact that it will be more difficult for corporations to generate enough pre-tax income to offer a high enough risk premium on their bonds and stock dividends to justify investing in their company. This dilemma is known as the crowding out effect, and tends to encourage the growth in the size of the government, and the simultaneous reduction in the size of the private sector.

Fifth, and perhaps most importantly, as the risk of a country defaulting on its debt service obligation increases, the country loses its social, economic and political power. This in turn makes the national debt level a national security issue. (Some think that the U.S. government is too big to fail, but historical examples show that it's not true. To learn more, refer to Is The U.S. Government Too Big To Fail?)

The Bottom Line
The national debt level is one of the most important public policy issues. When debt is used appropriately, it can be used to foster the long-term growth and prosperity of a country. However, the national debt must be evaluated in an appropriate manner, such as comparing the amount of interest expense paid to other governmental expenditures or by comparing debt levels on a per capita basis.

Read more: What The National Debt Means To You
 
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