How Democrats Got a Spine: The Republican Party taught them how to be uncompromising.
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We will know when liberals and progressives have truly grown a spine when they hold the government hostage FOR real health care reform. An actual liberal plan and not Bob Dole and Mitt Romneys recycled Reagan plans repackaged for Democrat voters.
Can I say something to you, and everyone else who criticizes Obama in the manner that you do...not the TUH or Broke way or calling him evil or from some of their more impractical or misinformed but genuinely kind-hearted angles. I mean from this misplaced anger that leads to you venting but being quite sure what you're venting about. I mean this "oh my goodness he capitulated in this instance so he certainly will in this circumstance" and that every decision he makes or negotiation he makes afterwards is an automatic failure just because of the simple fact that he merely mentions...negotiating...it's just ridiculous. Right now, you're sitting here whining about him saying he would be willing to negotiate on certain provisions of Obamacare, but you have no idea which ones they are....that's like those people in the Booth going nuts over that 10 second snippet of Kendrick's BET verse. The Democratic Party itself has said that it's willing to think about getting rid of the medical device tax in the bill so that could be exactly what he's talking about.
I mean you linked to a Huffingtonpost article that is clearly referencing his Associated Press interview where he straight up said that he's willing to negotiate and work to improve the law but only if Boehner opens up votes on the debt limit and funding the government. So basically, you're complaining about him doing what you want him to do
I'm not trying to attack you (I have to always say this now because of all the sensitive thugs in HL), but this is why sideline negotiators, lawyers, and specialists have come to annoy me the more I get involved in these fields. I mean this is HL right, so let's use some critical thinking skills and start investigating and critically thinking instead of posting based on subject lines and talking points.
Can I say something to you, and everyone else who criticizes Obama in the manner that you do...not the TUH or Broke way or calling him evil or from some of their more impractical or misinformed but genuinely kind-hearted angles. I mean from this misplaced anger that leads to you venting but being quite sure what you're venting about. I mean this "oh my goodness he capitulated in this instance so he certainly will in this circumstance" and that every decision he makes or negotiation he makes afterwards is an automatic failure just because of the simple fact that he merely mentions...negotiating...it's just ridiculous. Right now, you're sitting here whining about him saying he would be willing to negotiate on certain provisions of Obamacare, but you have no idea which ones they are....that's like those people in the Booth going nuts over that 10 second snippet of Kendrick's BET verse. The Democratic Party itself has said that it's willing to think about getting rid of the medical device tax in the bill so that could be exactly what he's talking about.
I mean you linked to a Huffingtonpost article that is clearly referencing his Associated Press interview where he straight up said that he's willing to negotiate and work to improve the law but only if Boehner opens up votes on the debt limit and funding the government. So basically, you're complaining about him doing what you want him to do
This isn't a criticism we're pulling out of thin air. You may think people are jumping the gun, but Obama has a history of capitulating to Republicans on just about everything. I don't think it's unreasonable to look at what someone has said and done in the past and use that to infer what's likely to happen in the future. If politician A has a consistent history of saying he'll "negotiate" and subsequently giving the other side almost whatever they want, and now he's saying he'll "negotiate" again, it's justified for people to be skeptical.
Obama is the Simba of politics.....shame he is not more like Mufasa
Please don't laugh at that analogy...its the truth. Sorry about the lack of critical argument and analysis in HL.
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Listen, you know and I know, I'm not a fan of generalities and much of your post that has been said continuously over the past 5 years. We're talking here and now, and this scenario. Those are talking points. There are no specific analogs to this situation, and your skepticism though warranted, does not justify you co-signing @LegendNas (FYI..I see that you tagged me...consider this my reply to that too) espousing something that is factually inaccurate. Notice how you did not comment on that fact because if you did, then you would have nothing to stand on. Being skeptical and whining about things that are factually inaccurate are two different things. The post and stance that you're co-signing is the equivalent to you making a new car and saying that though there may be some flaws in it you are not willing to negotiate in regards to fixing it while being held at gun point. Then, when you reiterate that point, someone (LN) comes in and goes "SEE, I TOLD YOU HE WAS A bytch and WOULD NEGOTIATE AT GUN POINT." That is literally what you're co-signing as a legitimate criticism and you're trying to justify based on Obama's past faults. While that may warrant skepticism, that still doesn't justify that co-sign. That is my point, and to that extent, your post does not answer it.
Even still, that method of skepticism is flawed. You know why I could go at Obama's head in the past about policy stances and negotiations....because I knew exactly what he said he was willing to put on the table (I.E. Grand Bargain). But my criticisms were about capitulating on traditional liberal interests. I disagreed from an ideological standpoint, not because he emphatically and repeatedly said "there will be no flexibility and negotiations regarding my stance on this issue" and then demonstrated it by letting the scenario emerge. The criticism was about capitulating in regards to what he believes in, not in regards to what he brought to the negotiation table. Did you forget how upset people got when we actually found out what some of the supposed terms of the "Grand Bargain" were...before that it was just "why is he wasting his time."
Right now he is doing what for years we have been waiting for him to do. It's literally making my head hurt, that this concept is flying by you guys. Meanwhile Republicans are shook to the extent that Republican lawmakers on the East Coast and the Midwest are begging their constituents not to blame them right now. Look at what's happening, this is about to merge into the debt ceiling deadline, and when the time comes 11 days from now where he does something foolish, we'll all be here to bash him, but getting upset at the mere insinuation of negotiating over some provisions in the PPACA is much ado about nothing. That's pretty much all I'll say on the subject.
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Sorry I don't buy that Obama has a "spine" neither do the Democrats... this is a fake ass gov shutdown and this is undoubtedly going to result in some kind of loss for the social welfare system. Corporations win again what a shocker.
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I think the Democrats are just letting the Republicans fukk themselves over. The Republicans are in full crazy mode and they will let the government default on the 17th because they are just that crazy. From their point of view, they know this is their last stand. They really believe they are fighting for America like GI Joe and willing to let it burn to keep it out of the hands of this Black President. This is Waterloo for them. At this point I don't think there is going to be a negotiation or anything like that. The only people being affected right now are the poor and federal workers. The Republicans don't give a fukk about them. If it gets serious enough, I think the President should label them traitors to the country and get them out of Congress. This shyt they are doing is irresponsible and extremely dangerous, if that debt ceiling doesn't get raised, we are talking a disaster in the WORLD economy.
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Corporations already won with ObamaCare. Health Insurance companies are some of the most sick, demented, greedy and corrupt corporations that exists in this country. So why not make a bill that forces people to increase the profits of said companies? I mean, I could definitely understand why Republicans offered this bill in the mid-90s, this is Reaganomics through and through.
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They so fukking crazy they really believe defaulting isn't a big deal.Can I say something to you, and everyone else who criticizes Obama in the manner that you do...not the TUH or Broke way or calling him evil or from some of their more impractical or misinformed but genuinely kind-hearted angles. I mean from this misplaced anger that leads to you venting but being quite sure what you're venting about. I mean this "oh my goodness he capitulated in this instance so he certainly will in this circumstance" and that every decision he makes or negotiation he makes afterwards is an automatic failure just because of the simple fact that he merely mentions...negotiating...it's just ridiculous. Right now, you're sitting here whining about him saying he would be willing to negotiate on certain provisions of Obamacare, but you have no idea which ones they are....that's like those people in the Booth going nuts over that 10 second snippet of Kendrick's BET verse. The Democratic Party itself has said that it's willing to think about getting rid of the medical device tax in the bill so that could be exactly what he's talking about.
I mean you linked to a Huffingtonpost article that is clearly referencing his Associated Press interview where he straight up said that he's willing to negotiate and work to improve the law but only if Boehner opens up votes on the debt limit and funding the government. So basically, you're complaining about him doing what you want him to do
I'm not trying to attack you (I have to always say this now because of all the sensitive thugs in HL), but this is why sideline negotiators, lawyers, and specialists have come to annoy me the more I get involved in these fields. I mean this is HL right, so let's use some critical thinking skills and start investigating and critically thinking instead of posting based on subject lines and talking points.
I am going to be honest with you despite how I am always criticizing him, If I ever ran into Obama like these guys did, I would probably melt like a little schoolgirl. I'm dead serious
Broke Wave
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Yea I mean to me it's deplorable to be forced to pay a private corporation to do anything. You're not even really forced by law to pay private food companies you can choose to legally use food banks etc. You are punished by a penalty for not paying a private corp which to me is kind of tyrannical. Also one of the CEO's of a HMO made 131 million dollars in SALARY recently which is like
This nikka didn't even get it in stock options or bonds, he decided that every 2 weeks his ass should get like 5 million dollars
@LegendNas were you just recently an Obama stan? It's too late to join us nonewfriends nikka
because holder showed him the way