Holy Cannoli! We’re On The Strive For Five! The Dynasty Rolls On! Golden State Warriors 2022-23 Season Thread

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But let’s harp on plus/minus, a stat that provides zero context to what was occurring in the game. The veterans didn’t do their job, got blown off the floor, and the young players were set up to fail on national TV by an inept coach. Simple as that.
The problem with this is, he has the worst plus/minus in nearly every game in plays in. This has been a trend ever since his rookie season. Every single lineup he's in, he drowns. Nothing ever good comes when he's on the floor; there isn't anything he does remotely well, he can't even consistently carry out simple basketball actions.

The starters played poorly, but then in came Wiseman, and they looked even worse, all against guys who're lucky to even be in a NBA rotation. The starters have the best net-rating in the league, so it's completely nonsensical to compare them to Wiseman tanking every lineup he's in, even with Steph -

He's essentially the only player over the last decade to have a negative plus/minus while sharing the court with Steph, and he's done it in two seasons now.

He had the worst plus/minus in 2020 on the team, and he has the worst plus/minus now in 2022 (currently the worst in the league).
You keep bringing up a system as if it’s something that works when Steph Curry doesn’t play. Newsflash: the entire team looks like GARBAGE.

No one benefits from anything except Steph Curry spoon feeding them open looks by either his passing or gravity on the floor. Use that head of yours for something other than a hat rack :heh:
And how bad do you think that makes Wiseman when he can't even benefit playing alongside Steph? He's historically bad. You claim Draymond isn't shyt without Steph, well, Wiseman isn't shyt even WITH Steph.

No shyt the system needs Steph, because it revolves around his efforts. If you haven't noticed the Warriors have never been the most talented team, it's how they've harnessed Steph's ability to make the other players better, players that wouldn't thrive elsewhere the same. Why the fukk do you think nearly every player that has come through GS over the last 7-8 years has played career-best ball?

You keep trying to use this as a stain against Kerr or whatever bullshyt agenda you want to layer, but that's what great coaches do. They give their players the best platform to perform on. It's why someone Draymond has been as effective on offense as he has been because of the system that Kerr instilled. It's why the Warriors only had one legitimate big man in their rotation last season and won a title. Great players are behind every great coach - where would Phil be without MJ/Kobe, where would Pop be without Duncan? Constantly deflecting with this nonsense that you don't apply to other coaches isn't going to take away from the fact you've been wrong every single step of the way about this team and the players on it.

And I mean, literally, everything.

When are you going to be a man once in your [online character] life and admit you got it horribly wrong with Wiseman?
 
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@Squirrel from Meteor Man until you admit to these indiscretions, there's no use spamming this thread with your deflections -
@Gil Scott-Heroin has zero idea about talent or basketball. Wiseman is the best prospect in this draft period. He’s been NBA ready for 2 years
You are the most clueless, casual poster here.

Wiseman is ready to contribute to any team right now. He’s been ready since high school.
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Your James Wiseman “is not a good basketball player” take still burning you up?
Warriors couldn’t have used Wiseman at all right :pachaha:
Another poor prediction by @Gil Scott-Heroin, just like when he said (and still says) Wiseman wasn’t any good :mjlol:
The Warriors can’t use Wiseman at all huh @Gil Scott-Heroin? :pachaha:
Look at this guy panicking at 7:30AM :mjlol: because he said Wiseman wasn’t good @Gil Scott-Heroin
Time to tank for Wiseman
He will be taking Looney‘s minutes at some point this season once the organization clears him (the front office is looking quite inept when it comes to this Wiseman injury imo). If the Warriors want ANY chance of winning a title [in 2021-22], Wiseman has to be a part of the group.

A zombie Draymond isn’t gonna get the job done. With that injury and Kerr’s “coaching”, it’s looking like a recipe for a second half meltdown. Don’t worry, help is on the way [in Wiseman].
Nobody wants to read your bullshyt anymore. You being wrong is old.

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how on earth did the Pelicans (who had zero lottery picks) get Trey Murphy III, Herb Jones, and Jose Alvarado? All three of those guys are outside the lottery, and one of them was an undrafted player. and we get 6 picks (3 if them in the lottery), and we come out much worse than they did? :dahell:
Because ownership thinks/thought they had a system, when in actuality it’s been Steph Curry carrying everyone. They don’t draft guys who they feel aren’t going to run split action and no look passes to the corner that go out of bounds.
The problem with this is, he has the worst plus/minus in nearly every game in plays in. This has been a trend ever since his rookie season. Every single lineup he's in, he drowns. Nothing ever good comes when he's on the floor; there isn't anything he does remotely well, he can't even consistently carry out simple basketball actions.

The starters played poorly, but then in came Wiseman, and they looked even worse, all against guys who're lucky to even be in a NBA rotation. The starters have the best net-rating in the league, so it's completely nonsensical to compare them to Wiseman tanking every lineup he's in, even with Steph -

He's essentially the only player over the last decade to have a negative plus/minus while sharing the court with Steph, and he's done it in two seasons now.

He had the worst plus/minus in 2020 on the team, and he has the worst plus/minus now in 2022 (currently the worst in the league).

And how bad do you think that makes Wiseman when he can't even benefit playing alongside Steph? He's historically bad. You claim Draymond isn't shyt without Steph, well, Wiseman isn't shyt even WITH Steph.

No shyt the system needs Steph, because it revolves around his efforts. If you haven't noticed the Warriors have never been the most talented team, it's how they've harnessed Steph's ability to make the other players better, players that wouldn't thrive elsewhere the same. Why the fukk do you think nearly every player that has come through GS over the last 7-8 years has played career-best ball?

You keep trying to use this as a stain against Kerr or whatever bullshyt agenda you want to layer, but that's what great coaches do. They give their players the best platform to perform on. It's why someone Draymond has been as effective on offense as he has been because of the system that Kerr instilled. It's why the Warriors only had one legitimate big man in their rotation last season and won a title. Great players are behind every great coach - where would Phil be without MJ/Kobe, where would Pop be without Duncan? Constantly deflecting with this nonsense that you don't apply to other coaches isn't going to take away from the fact you've been wrong every single step of the way about this team and the players on it.

And I mean, literally, everything.

When are you going to be a man once in your [online character] life and admit you got it horribly wrong with Wiseman?

how do the starters look without Steph Curry on the floor? I’ll wait.

The Reddit article you posted explains the reality. Wiseman is a score first big forced to go through the motions of setting picks and being fed an occasional alley oop. That’s on the inept coaching staff not being able to maximize talent, which is why they can’t even compete, let alone win a game without Steph Curry.

Kerr isn’t a great coach by any stretch of the imagination. When you have Ty Lue competing with G-League guys on any given night, it’s clear to see the difference between actual coaching and a clown being carried.
 
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Because ownership thinks/thought they had a system, when in actuality it’s been Steph Curry carrying everyone. They don’t draft guys who they feel aren’t going to run split action and no look passes to the corner that go out of bounds.

how do the starters look without Steph Curry on the floor? I’ll wait.
When Wiseman was relegated to the G-League and Draymond took over leading the second unit, they started to thrive (it 's why Dray is leading the team in plus-minus, because he's had success without playing next to Steph all the time). It was only when Wiggins went down, and then Steph went down that they lost all that momentum and cohesion of the lineups they started to feel comfortable in.
The Reddit article you posted explains the reality. Wiseman is a score first big forced to go through the motions of setting picks and being fed an occasional alley oop. That’s on the inept coaching staff not being able to maximize talent, which is why they can’t even compete, let alone win a game without Steph Curry.
What part of Wiseman doesn't even screen properly, doesn't rotate on defense properly, can't catch, has trouble where to position himself on the floor, has trouble rebounding etc do you not understand?

What great big men ever had trouble with any of those basic actions at any point of their careers?

You keep talking about his scoring ability, but he gets pushed off his spot every time he demands the ball. He shies away from contact instead of embracing it and playing through it. He's a pretend wing in a 7fters body. What has he ever shown that makes you believe he's a legitimate scoring option? Why does he kill every lineup he's in? Why did he let a 43rd pick from 2017 completely embarrass him? Why can't he even dominate G-League games?

Why do you keep making excuses for him instead of admitting you're wrong?
 
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Kerr isn’t a great coach by any stretch of the imagination. When you have Ty Lue competing with G-League guys on any given night, it’s clear to see the difference between actual coaching and a clown being carried.
This is patently ridiculous, and not even worth entertaining with a proper response. You're just saying shyt to say it to fulfil your keyboard militant task of the day.
 

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The Warriors will go back to 1980-2013 mediocrity?
yeah. which is why i dont get he 2 timeline approach.

1. the organization went about it completely wrong, by drafting a bust with their highest pick in decades. they fell for the old "Ben Simmons/Carmelo training video propaganda trick" and fell in love with a dude that has less than zero feel for the game, can't screen, rebound, cut, catch the ball, shoot, pass, create for himself or anyone else, when there were was NBA-ready talent right in front of their eyes.
2. when steph retires, the warriors will have SOOOO many lottery picks, so i dont get why the'yre holding onto assets they wont miss. Why would you hold onto 3 draft picks and wiseman when you just won a chip without him playing not even a millisecond that season? Why not package Wiseman (before he exposed himself as a moron with no basketball acumen) + the 3 picks in the 2022 draft for more help for the 34 year old Steph? :dahell:
3. on top of that, if the warriors fail to make the playoffs like they did in 2021, it would mean that Lacob's dumb ass is paying an insane tax for a lottery team AND they would more than likely miss on the lottery pick they get in the upcoming draft, based on the fact that since drafting draymond, they have only really hit on 2 picks in about 10 years (looney and poole). And don't get me started on the fact that Larry Riley and Jerry West are the 2 guys that are responsible for Klay and Steph being on this team. Lacob lucked out because the Bucks chose Monta Ellis over steph, and Jerry West had to threaten to quit if they traded Klay for Kevin Love. So this organization lucked into a good situation and got saved from their own stupidity, and are currently attempting UNNECESSARILY to bridge 2 timelines together, and it's an ajbect failure.

like seriously, what are Patrick Baldwin Jr. (a guy who, again, played only 11 games in college and was terrible), and ryan rollins (a guy who played 1 season in a mid-major, not to mention the organization MOVED up to acquire him) doing on this team? These nikkas aren't even NBA ready. Between Wiseman and the 3 draft picks we used in this draft, thats ~18 million in salary. That money could've been used to get vets to chase chips. But instead we got a bunch of unplayable nikkas. And the worst part is, they're not developing, so if we keep these trash players, next season is gonna be the same story. Only difference is, Steph will be 35 going on 36.
 
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yeah. which is why i dont get he 2 timeline approach.

1. the organization went about it completely wrong, by drafting a bust with their highest pick in decades. they fell for the old "Ben Simmons/Carmelo training video propaganda trick" and fell in love with a dude that has less than zero feel for the game, can't screen, rebound, cut, catch the ball, shoot, pass, create for himself or anyone else, when there were was NBA-ready talent right in front of their eyes.
2. when steph retires, the warriors will have SOOOO many lottery picks, so i dont get why the'yre holding onto assets they wont miss. Why would you hold onto 3 draft picks and wiseman when you just won a chip without him playing not even a millisecond that season? Why not package Wiseman (before he exposed himself as a moron with no basketball acumen) + the 3 picks in the 2022 draft for more help for the 34 year old Steph? :dahell:
3. on top of that, if the warriors fail to make the playoffs like they did in 2021, it would mean that Lacob's dumb ass is paying an insane tax for a lottery team AND they would more than likely miss on the lottery pick they get in the upcoming draft, based on the fact that since drafting draymond, they have only really hit on 2 picks in about 10 years (looney and poole). And don't get me started on the fact that Larry Riley and Jerry West are the 2 guys that are responsible for Klay and Steph being on this team. Lacob lucked out because the Bucks chose Monta Ellis over steph, and Jerry West had to threaten to quit if they traded Klay for Kevin Love. So this organization lucked into a good situation and got saved from their own stupidity, and are currently attempting UNNECESSARILY to bridge 2 timelines together, and it's an ajbect failure.

like seriously, what are Patrick Baldwin Jr. (a guy who, again, played only 11 games in college and was terrible), and ryan rollins (a guy who played 1 season in a mid-major, not to mention the organization MOVED up to acquire him) doing on this team? These nikkas aren't even NBA ready. Between Wiseman and the 3 draft picks we used in this draft, thats ~18 million in salary. That money could've been used to get vets to chase chips. But instead we got a bunch of unplayable nikkas. And the worst part is, they're not developing, so if we keep these trash players, next season is gonna be the same story. Only difference is, Steph will be 35 going on 36.
The two timeline approach works if they draft LaMelo though

Kuminga it’s too soon to say but he may well pop
 

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The two timeline approach works if they draft LaMelo though

Kuminga it’s too soon to say but he may well pop
the two timeline approach works if they draft lamelo AND they don't double/triple down on project players at the expense of veterans.

instead they picked arguably the worst player in the 2020 draft and drafted 4 players in the last 2 drafts that aren't ready (Moody, Patrick Baldwin, Rollins, and Gui Santos)

Damain Jones - barely gets playing time on the lakers, fringe NBA talent
Jacob Evans - out the league
Patrick McCaw - out the league
Jordan Bell - out the league
Eric Paschall - out the league
Alen Smailagic - out the league
James Wiseman - BUST
Nico Mannion - out the league
Justinian Jessup - can't get in the league, 2 different summer league stints, bad in both of them
Moses Moody - can't crack the rotation

their scouting department horrible. how do these guys still have their jobs??
 

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the two timeline approach works if they draft lamelo AND they don't double/triple down on project players at the expense of veterans.

instead they picked arguably the worst player in the 2020 draft and drafted 4 players in the last 2 drafts that aren't ready (Moody, Patrick Baldwin, Rollins, and Gui Santos)

Damain Jones - barely gets playing time on the lakers, fringe NBA talent
Jacob Evans - out the league
Patrick McCaw - out the league
Jordan Bell - out the league
Eric Paschall - out the league
Alen Smailagic - out the league
James Wiseman - BUST
Nico Mannion - out the league
Justinian Jessup - can't get in the league, 2 different summer league stints, bad in both of them
Moses Moody - can't crack the rotation

their scouting department horrible. how do these guys still have their jobs??
Are they the same scouts who drafted Klay, Draymond, Looney, Poole? :lupe:

Bob Meyers was in charge for all that.

Atleast you aren’t the Wizards :mjgrin:
 

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Are they the same scouts who drafted Klay, Draymond, Looney, Poole? :lupe:

Bob Meyers was in charge for all that.

Atleast you aren’t the Wizards :mjgrin:
no, it's different for the most part. Either that, or they have completely run away from a winning formula. Because the excuse used to be "well, when you're constantly picking at the end of the first/second rounds, it's hard to find talent." Well, you got 3 straight lottery picks, and only 1 of the 3 are playable. And at the rate things are going now, you're gonna get a fourth lottery pick. I dont have faith that they'll get this one right, given their track record :francis:
 
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