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Hell yeah its too fickle. U see how nikkas on this board shyt on Jay just for some irrelevant reason?
Hip-hop the Most Fickle Out Of Any Genre?
- Thread starter Loose
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When the Rolling Stones and Elton John so sell out tours is it 15 yr old kids filling up those arenas ??
Rolling Stones and Elton John has the same fans as they did 50 years ago, these people became fans when they were 15 years old and are not 65.
Just like the wu or ATCQ probably has a older fanbase than a new rapper cause their fans from the 95 are 17 years older today.
But a new rock band won't have 55 year old fans.
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Tyrant Titan
The stones and the beatles aren't the rock equivalent of Kool Herc though...the actual first generation forefathers of rock n roll (the guys that influenced the guys that influenced the cacs across the pond that we now know as OG Rock legends) prolly died broke in some ole run down shack in Mississipi or something...even early (pre-Beatles) Rock n Roll stars like Chuck Berry , who currently lives in the STL area performing the odd show in front of sparse crowds, who people may know by name aren't revered like that....The Stones and Beatles are more like Big and Pac in hip hop, but still living and going on the occassional mega world tour...closest living equilvents we have in rap are prolly Jay-Z and Eminem...and I could see either touring 10 years from now (sometime in their 50's) and it being a BIG DEAL...basically, the typical rap star doesn't ascend to the type of worldwide fame that the biggest Rock Stars have in the past...it takes more than a platinum album or two to become anything even approaching the level of fame that the Beatles or Stones are on...they're like pop culture institutions...something most rappers really have no realistic chance to matchTheres been 30 years..
Melle Mel and Slick Rick couldnt go on tour in front of sellout crowds across the country,i get hip hop demographic might be smaller scaled but when its been the highest selling form of music for 20 years,it doesnt add up...Hip hop is funny like that,its cool to disrespect and dismiss the legends that paved the way....
In rock beatles and Mick Jagger are considered demi gods and legends...in rap people laugh at Kool Herc because hes "old" and works at fed ex...
Rolling stones and elton john actually have a lot of younger fans
That older fan base wont buy there records or see them perform in 2012...unless its part of a festival with newer artists...
Good points but i dont look at Pac and Big as the old heads who paved the way...I wasnt comparing Herc to the beatles in terms of relevancy only to make the general point that hip hops legends dont get billing like old country and rock artists do amongst there audiences...
What do you mean? Wu-tangs older fan base won't see wu-tang at concerts? Ever been to a wu-tang concert? mad 30-35 year old white hipsters and various types of black people, that probably were 17 year old hiphop heads and various types of 17 year old black people in 97.
Of course they do, what has that got to do with anything?
Wu-tang has younger fans as well. I'm talking about the reasons to why they have old fans, not why they have young, but how they have accumulated fans over the years from the 60s and on and most of the time all these people were young when they started fukking with them. The reason to why they have young fans is cause young people recognize great music as well, cause they are huge musicians, cause they are huge celebrities, cause their parents put them on to them and the list is long.
If Big and Pac was still alive they would have been turned on by many of their fans
OnlyInCalifornia
Southern California/Vegas
Nah Korn was big time and popular for many many years. I remember them when they were more like a heavy metal band with a nice little follwing. They were so popular and big even to the point they were on South Park and were getting movie placements. They still have a following now and are respected by many in the industry. They were much more than a 'fad' they have talent, people just stop giving a fukk eventually. It happens in music a lot. Not exclusive to Hip Hop at all.
There are talented bands that were not fads, like Smashing Pumpkins, that rock fans don't give a flying fukk about. They have one hit wonders just the same too. Tons of them. You guys remember Smashmouth with that 'im an allstar now' bullshyt
The difference is of course most people don't sit online and discuss Rock on a message board like we do here. If you talked to a lot of 'rock fans' you would see just how many bands had some exposure then faded into obscurity.
I'm a big fan of multiple genres. And yeah, they're all fickle. Try talking to some punk or metal people. It's all like "look at the way he dresses, they had a fukking solo in there when they shouldn't, they sold out and went pop, they mellowed out too much"...blah blah blah.
And their boards are just as bad as hip-hop forums
And their boards are just as bad as hip-hop forums
Stringer Bell
:pacspit: Clay Davis
An artist staying hot is harder because the fans are fickle and ADHD riddled and always looking for the next big thing. I presume most of the big name hip hop artist do well on touring and that's the true measure of their fan base. 50 Cent does really well in touring but probably wouldn't sell more than 100k his first week today. Record sells have declined across the board in music period. Pink doing the numbers that she did was an actual shock because her sells had took a tremendous dive before these new numbers.
I guess what I'm tryiing to say is that it is harder for new artist to get a lane and stay hot but hip hop artist has always had one hit wonders dominant back to the days of Sir Mix Alot and Rob Base.
I guess what I'm tryiing to say is that it is harder for new artist to get a lane and stay hot but hip hop artist has always had one hit wonders dominant back to the days of Sir Mix Alot and Rob Base.
Couple random points:
1. Rock is way more diverse than hip hop. Thats one thing hip hop needs is more divisions. Folk rock, Indie music, Metal. There are stars in all those genres who have been working for 10 years and never been famous. Hip Hop really only has one lane that every artist has to try to make it in if they want to eat...
2. Rock music in the mainstream is dead. Deader than hip hop. They can't make stars or hits and when they do the band disappears almost immediately. So at the moment its very "fickle". Like whatever happened to Kings of Leon?
3. Rock radio stations play mostly old songs, hip hop radio stations play mostly new songs.
4. The live show is not that important in hip hop. But thats the best and most reliable way for any musician have a career...
1. Rock is way more diverse than hip hop. Thats one thing hip hop needs is more divisions. Folk rock, Indie music, Metal. There are stars in all those genres who have been working for 10 years and never been famous. Hip Hop really only has one lane that every artist has to try to make it in if they want to eat...
2. Rock music in the mainstream is dead. Deader than hip hop. They can't make stars or hits and when they do the band disappears almost immediately. So at the moment its very "fickle". Like whatever happened to Kings of Leon?
3. Rock radio stations play mostly old songs, hip hop radio stations play mostly new songs.
4. The live show is not that important in hip hop. But thats the best and most reliable way for any musician have a career...