“Hip Hop Is Not OUR (Black) Culture” :patriceummm: Thoughts?

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

hip hop eventually started off as music for folks to turn up to and now for going on 30 years nikkas mad that's what is always comes back around to

 

[010101]

as i always say culture is for consumption & it's not worth fighting over

use it to get money increase the quality of your life enjoy it for what it's worth

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[BmoreGorilla]

Agree with the guy with tattoo on his face brehs



He talks about the clothes. What clothes gotta do with the hip-hop?.


Hip-Hop/Rap is a product of American black culture. America being a diverse nation there isn’t a control on who can consume whatever music they please. Black Americans did create rap/hip hop/rnb, so it is an aspect of American black culture.

Dj Herc. Jamaica. Chatting. Call and response. Jazz. Scatting, Rock & Roll.

James Brown. Last Poets.

To be more specific rap is Black culture from the South Bronx in NYC.

I think clothing is a big aspect. Just look at black style pre-Run Dmc and how they changed the game. They took regular street wear mainstream when artists before them were rocking suits and costumes

 

[get these nets]

Why is his opinion ignorant? Culture has a broad definition, so yeah, you can say that hip hop is black culture, but I definitely see the other side of what he’s talking about

There are multiple threads on here about the origins of rap music and hip hop culture. How am I better informed about the topic than a man who FEEDS himself and takes care of his family because of the artform?

Gospel,blues, jazz...by Daylit's criteria aren't Black artforms either because Blacks didn't manufacture the instruments, print the English language bibles that the gospel lyrics are derived from,etc,etc. See how ridiculous this sounds.

 

[Methodical]

I honestly feel like hip-hop will no longer be "Black" in the next couple of years.

I just watched the video and I see what he is sorta trying to say, but i can't rock with it.

WE had to build our own culture from the ground up. Breakdancing, hip-hop, etc. Was started in America because we've been here for decades.

It sounds like he is on the whole "BLACK AMERICANS HAVE NO CULTURE" and "AMERICA IS NOT YOUR HOMELAND" wave which I disagree with.

I agreed with you said about hip-hop will be no longer "Black" in the next couple of years. These days have no respect for hip-hop as art form anymore. The history has spoken, Jazz, Blues, Soulful, R&B, Rock & Roll.

 

[Methodical]

I think clothing is a big aspect. Just look at black style pre-Run Dmc and how they changed the game. They took regular street wear mainstream when artists before them were rocking suits and costumes

Only I agreed on his part about wearing "White company clothes" that's not a black culture. Yes, Run-DMC has huge influence but white folks making money off it cause they owned Adidas so they gotta thank to Run-DMC but actually it was JMJ, he was the one came up to wear Adidas, not Run-DMC.....credit to JMJ.

 

[ThatTruth777]

Hip hop was at its best when it was solely black culture and used as a tool to inform, inspire and instruct for constructive activity and upliftment ,
Problem was the degenerates got a hold of it and ran the bus into a fukking wall but its not all their fault. The people bought into the trashy elements.

 

[Benefited]

Arent you with a non black woman OP?figures you would want to share your culture.
You culture cannibals love setting the table for the vultures.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

There are multiple threads on here about the origins of rap music and hip hop culture. How am I better informed about the topic than a man who FEEDS himself and takes care of his family because of the artform?

Gospel,blues, jazz...by Daylit's criteria aren't Black artforms either because Blacks didn't manufacture the instruments, print the English language bibles that the gospel lyrics are derived from,etc,etc. See how ridiculous this sounds.

I’m not talking about the tools... ie guitar, etc..... but aren’t we heavily influenced by euro culture....? Take your bible reference for example.... some would argue that’s not a black man’s religion... so therefore, black gospel music has white roots if we were to believe that.... hence making it a shared culture.... all I’m saying is that it can be hard to claim a culture that is exclusively yours when you have been heavily influenced by a dominant culture.... do you think this new generation of rap is a reflection of black culture?

 

[ISO]

c00n shyt. As much as I hate what hip hop has turned into its definitely a black art form. No one questions if opera is a European art form or if salsa is a Latino art form but I've heard multiple people try to say that hip hop isn't really a black art form .

Salsa is black music

 

[Brolic Scholar]

The crip gangbanger/rapper in the clip is just not that intelligent. He has a right to his opinion, but it's not an informed one.

Now I see why there was so much brushback against Lord Jamar's book challenge. MFers are comfortable in their ignorance.

They don't even know the origins of the artform that is their livelihood.

Breh is working with J Cole and 9th Wonder on separate projects and building on how to improve black people’s positions by using hip hop. He even dropped game in one of the related videos on how to make millions without using streaming platforms and proved it on camera when Vlad doubted him. He’s not dumb and he’s definitely aware of the origins of hip hop.

I get where you’re coming from, but beneath his troll act, he’s definitely been on some conscious shyt as of late.

I honestly feel like hip-hop will no longer be "Black" in the next couple of years.

I just watched the video and I see what he is sorta trying to say, but i can't rock with it.

WE had to build our own culture from the ground up. Breakdancing, hip-hop, etc. Was started in America because we've been here for decades.

It sounds like he is on the whole "BLACK AMERICANS HAVE NO CULTURE" and "AMERICA IS NOT YOUR HOMELAND" wave which I disagree with.

That’s not what he’s saying. He’s saying we’re better than what we’re settling for. He’s just dumbing it down for smart dumb nikkas. I see what he’s attempting to do. He aims for something that would resonate with a smart dumb nikka to open discussion. What he goes on to say in another video about being instrumental in stopping the beef between his hood (Grape St) and the Bounty Hunters but people still coming up dead by unknown killers made me think of AZ’s (the real AZ) interview where he kept challenging the viewer to consider WHO is behind all this killing. It’s some deep shyt.

Idk how anybody can argue that it’s not. Hip hop was the culmination of our experience in this country up to that point. I don’t like the direction that it’s gone in but it will forever be black. Simply no one else can do it like we can

Check out what I said above.

 

[Brolic Scholar]

Arent you with a non black woman OP?figures you would want to share your culture.
You culture cannibals love setting the table for the vultures.

You failed reading today. I never said shyt about sharing my culture.

Are you mad I didn’t fukk your mother? What the fukk does my dikk and who I spend my time fukking have to do with me being black and speaking on black issues fakkit? Get the fukk outta my thread and take a neg with you.

 

[get these nets]

I’m not talking about the tools... ie guitar, etc..... but aren’t we heavily influenced by euro culture....? Take your bible reference for example.... some would argue that’s not a black man’s religion... so therefore, black gospel music has white roots if we were to believe that.... hence making it a shared culture.... all I’m saying is that it can be hard to claim a culture that is exclusively yours when you have been heavily influenced by a dominant culture.... do you think this new generation of rap is a reflection of black culture?

Not shared
All the Black music genres/artforms that came out of the Americas were forms of Africans expressing themselves(ourselves)
The language and tools of those expressions were based on which euro flag flew over the land our ancestors were dropped off. The bible..and the old testament sermons were tools, just like the guitar. Just like the English language is a tool.
Gospel is an AA artform.......if it's shared....then that comes from the multiple ethnic origins of the enslaved Africans who created it. Diasporan African cultures are composite cultures of all the different places/groups we came from.
The racial and social segregation that existed here in America, and it's documented...shows us that the composite culture(s) of AAs developed in relative isolation from the dominant group.
Contrast that with Latin America, where there was more racial and social mixing and exchange. Euros from those places might have a small claim in
some of the African artforms that developed there, but even there it's reaching. Africans expressing themselves using the available tools(and trace influences).

I'm old enough to have grown up when "rap" was a dirty word....treated like a step child......people wanted nothing to do with it.
Once it crossed over and people saw the influence it had/money it could generate....it was co-opted.Now they are rewriting and revising history and claiming something they had nothing to do with..
Current generation of rappers represent and embrace the WORST elements of Black culture because that is what currently sells.

 

[unit321]

I used to think this nikka was a weirdo that made no sense, but lately, I’ve been agreeing with some of his statements.

I haven’t decided on this one because on one hand, we took the scraps and made something of it and also sampled mostly Black artists, but on the other hand, he has a point.



Thoughts?

@3:50 until I figure out how to timestamp on my old version of YouTube mobile.

3:50 and onward was Interesting indeed. It was kind of deep. I wasn't expecting that viewpoint. "We didn't create jeans. Dancing on cardboard boxes, that isn't our culture". The crazy face tattoo made you think twice about what he was going to say, but it was pretty interesting.

I'm sure if I, an Asian person, said "hip hop is not black American culture", I would get attacked and mocked.

 

[BlackAchilles]

It used to be, sure; But rap ain't been for black folk for at least a few years now

We still listen of course, but the industry's been taking that as a given and is more concerned with trotting out buffoons for the basic/hipster whites than making anything of real cultural value for the black audience

Just my .02