Hip Hop is not a culture...It's entertainment

[smokeurobinson]

There are things as Cultural Violence and on..
Culture and whatever is not really my cup of tea but is a culture not a culture because it has problems?
What about the drug culture of the 60s? The barbaric cultures in the afghani mountains?

Beef is the worst thing in our culture, and it comes from a great thing which was battling.
Battling was created within the culture to make kids use their mouth and brain to feud instead of guns.

How can you say beef is the wrorst thing in Hip Hop culture when beef is promoted? Did a commitee come together to dmand that 50 Cent not beef with all those rappers or did the audience collectively sit back and enjoy all of the antics. How can beef be the worst thing in Hip Hop when rap fans still hold "Hit em up" in high regards and if u dare say anything the fanatics will attack? Didn't QD3 have a series on beef that was popular? Didn't P Cutta have a popular series surrounding Hip Hop beefs? U may feel that way but majority looks at beef in hip hop as entertaining because I remember more co signs then an uproar against all the beef antics. Again.....all of that was cool because its entertainment. But in the real world when a Blackman who is considered "street" attacks numeous Blackmen with verbal threats of violence for no reason, that person is labeled a menace to society, In the urban community, said problem would be onsidered an "issue."

sorry, I was referring to this statement of yours:

Issues aren't addressed in Hip Hop like they would be in a civilized society that is concerned with its culture.

LOL...I was hoping u would atleast post the name of one rapper who called out Pacs negativity.


But in response to your comment...

...so what u are saying is that in a civilized society.....One person who is on a B level points out the issues while the A list people don't collectively co sign? Kanye co signs the wreckless 17 year old Cheif Keef. Cheif Kef once threatened to slap Lupe, the same man who took time to addres issues. So what u are saying is that in a civilized society its ok for a 17 gang member to go unchecked for threatening physical harm to someone who addresses social issues?

 

[Harry B]

No, hip hop is NOT a culture...

There are various sub-cultures using Hip Hop as a way of promoting their values and beliefs, but on its own, Hip Hop is not a culture...

Do you believe in the values and traditions promoted by Chief Keef, Gucci Mane and all these other Trap/Drill rappers...?

Do you believe in the garbage philosophy of the Odd Future Gang...?

Many different sub-cultures are using Hip-Hop as a vehicle...Chief Keef and Tyler the Creator are NOT about the same thing, and then you have the Jay z's promoting Basquiat, why doesn't he promote some ill graffiti artist, considering graffiti is supposedly a pillar of hip hop culture...?

Hip Hop is just a trend that keeps changing, people from different cultures and sub-cultures are making use of the trend to express themselves...

If a bunch of white trash meth addicts started rapping, would you identify with them...?

1. I need to say that hiphop is still a young culture.

If I believe in them or not is irrelevant. People believe in them.
I believe in the values promoted by the originators, the pioneers, the community leaders, by dudes like Jay, Nas, Big Boi..

Hiphop has it's own traditions, it's own "swags", it's own artforms, physical expressions, language, it's own way of exposing participators to "tastes and enlightenments".
Some people misuse the elements, but other people like Chief Keef are products of their communities and for me seeing him rap was just a call for help from Chicago. While certain cacs and c00ns only saw the entertainment in it, which is expected.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

1. I need to say that hiphop is still a young culture.

If I believe in them or not is irrelevant. People believe in them.
I believe in the values promoted by the originators, the pioneers, the community leaders, by dudes like Jay, Nas, Big Boi..

Hiphop has it's own traditions, it's own "swags", it's own artforms, physical expressions, language, it's own way of exposing participators to "tastes and enlightenments".
Some people misuse the elements, but other people like Chief Keef are products of their communities and for me seeing him rap was just a call for help from Chicago. While certain cacs and c00ns only saw the entertainment in it, which is expected.

Hip hop isn't young.

Most music is barely 100 years old. Jazz ain't even 100 yet.

Hip-hop is as old as Rock music was 15-20 years ago.

Its been 30 years almost. Hip hop isn't "young" anymore. Its merely urban oriented music. Thats it.

 

[Nomad1]

Rap is entertainment and Hip Hop is a culture.

 

[smokeurobinson]

Rap is entertainment and Hip Hop is a culture.

Again u are saying something that is cliche....I posted the defintion and by definition Hip Hop can't be a culture so please explain in detail what u mean by such a statement

 

[Harry B]

How can you say beef is the wrorst thing in Hip Hop culture when beef is promoted? Did a commitee come together to dmand that 50 Cent not beef with all those rappers or did the audience collectively sit back and enjoy all of the antics. How can beef be the worst thing in Hip Hop when rap fans still hold "Hit em up" in high regards and if u dare say anything the fanatics will attack? Didn't QD3 have a series on beef that was popular? Didn't P Cutta have a popular series surrounding Hip Hop beefs? U may feel that way but majority looks at beef in hip hop as entertaining because I remember more co signs then an uproar againsall the bef antics. Again.....all of that wa cool because its entertainment.

Pac is not god, he was 1 person.
Not that I'm religious, but most religions say that we should help these brothers and not crucify them in order to make God make that call.

Pac was in the belief that some people tried to kill him and he responded aggressively. In American culture, you are supposed to kill the person who tries to attack you (shouts to Zimmerman). Now people did not criticize him, cause he died 3 months after the official beef started, but multiple people wanted to end the beef. And others felt that they had not right to intervene cause he believed that he had been targeted for murder by these people.


Beef is entertaining but it's probably still the most negative thing in hiphop, there are negative things in all cultures. Things that people entertain as well.

Battling was a positive thing when it boils over to beef, that's when it's a problem. Jay vs Nas was a battle until Jay started talking about Baby Moms.
50 vs everyone besides Ja Rule was just battles. Certain things are "deeper than hiphop". Gucci Mane and Jeezy shooting each other is not hiphop, the songs prior to that was.

 

[vaudevillevillain]

LOL...I was hoping u would atleast post the name of one rapper who called out Pacs negativity.

But in response to your comment...

...so what u are saying is that in a civilized society.....One person who is on a B level points out the issues while the A list people don't collectively co sign? Kanye co signs the wreckless 17 year old Cheif Keef. Cheif Kef once threatened to slap Lupe, the same man who took time to addres issues. So what u are saying is that in a civilized society its ok for a 17 gang member to go unchecked for threatening physical harm to someone who addresses social issues?

when did I say it was ok for Keef to threaten Lu?

plus threatening nikkas is just dumb to me. We deal wid action ting cause a badmon ting

 

[Harry B]

What you are saying is just cause you went on Merriam Webster and found a definition (the 7th out of like 10), you can denounce hiphop as a culture?
With that you can also denounce like 80% of cultures, I knight you smarter than every cultural anthropologist, sociologist, cultural philosopher and on, ever, in the history of mankind.

 

[Nomad1]

Again u are saying something that is cliche....I posted the defintion and by definition Hip Hop can't be a culture so please explain in detail what u mean by such a statement

Culture- The arts and other manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarded collectively.

Hip Hop is made of four elements that serve as their own respective artistic forms. Hip Hop is a form of self-expression whether it's street art, dancing, or rhyming behind a beat. Hip hop has it's own distinctive image. It's a culture.

 

[Harry B]

Hip hop isn't young.

Most music is barely 100 years old. Jazz ain't even 100 yet.

Hip-hop is as old as Rock music was 15-20 years ago.

Its been 30 years almost. Hip hop isn't "young" anymore. Its merely urban oriented music. Thats it.

It's a young culture, not a young genre .
We are talking about culture here son.

 

[Tom Foolery]

Again u are saying something that is cliche....I posted the defintion and by definition Hip Hop can't be a culture so please explain in detail what u mean by such a statement

The problem is that's one use of the word culture. Culture can be used many different ways and have different definitions.

 

[kingdizzy01]

i dont know what TS is talkin bout. hip hop is a culture and im living proof. fukk your definition homie, the rap part is entertainment. dont discredit ones way of life because you grew up in a different environment and got exposed to the shyt because of what was hot on the internet.

 

[smokeurobinson]

You have chosen a definition to support your claims, there are multiple definitions of culture.
But even your definitions supports the idea of hiphop being a culture.

"The customary beliefs, social forms, and material traits of a racial, religious, or social group. A high level of taste and enlightenment as a result of extensive intellectual training and exposure to the arts."

Basically supports this, but then again you have to define taste and enlightenment.

Going by the textbook etymology you'd have a hard time defining any cultures in 2013.

stop it......U know what high level of enlightenment means. the saying "Pop a molly I'm sweating" was considered cool for months...Thats not enlightenment. Everyone said it colllectively in the clubs and Hip Hop radio only editted the line but didnt ban the song. And thats just 1 example of many.

Pac is not god, he was 1 person.
Not that I'm religious, but most religions say that we should help these brothers and not crucify them in order to make God make that call.

Pac was in the belief that some people tried to kill him and he responded aggressively. In American culture, you are supposed to kill the person who tries to attack you (shouts to Zimmerman). Now people did not criticize him, cause he died 3 months after the official beef started, but multiple people wanted to end the beef. And others felt that they had not right to intervene cause he believed that he had been targeted for murder by these people.


Beef is entertaining but it's probably still the most negative thing in hiphop, there are negative things in all cultures. Things that people entertain as well.

Battling was a positive thing when it boils over to beef, that's when it's a problem. Jay vs Nas was a battle until Jay started talking about Baby Moms.
50 vs everyone besides Ja Rule was just battles. Certain things are "deeper than hiphop". Gucci Mane and Jeezy shooting each other is not hiphop, the songs prior to that was.

I dont know why u used the Bible to support your claim when the Bible clearly points out the flaws of Gods favorites. David was considered one of Gods favorites yet the Bible didnt remove his terrbile sins from history. If u beleive Pac then I belive Biggie when he said Pac told him in that parking lot that he was only beefng with him for the money.

I noticed in your responses u aren't really proving any points as to how Hip Hop is a culture. U just admited that beef in Hip Hop was entertaining but beef isn't a sign of being civilized which is the corner stone of culture.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

The culture of hip hop is from the people at large like you and me who may like to participate in the four elements in some way or have a deep appreciation for it.
Pointing to the entertainers who get paid to try and represent the culture is misguided. Once you get paid on a large scale to do it you are indeed compromised and it is no longer just about the love of what you are doing. But most people in the culture are doing it for free so let's point at them.

 

[Harry B]

stop it......U know what high level of enlightenment means. the saying "Pop a molly I'm sweating" was considered cool for months...Thats not enlightenment. Everyone said it colllectively in the clubs and Hip Hop radio only editted the line but didnt ban the song. And thats just 1 example of many.





I dont know why u used the Bible to support your claim when the Bible clearly points out the flaws of Gods favorites. David was considered one of Gods favorites yet the Bible didnt remove his terrbile sins from history. If u beleive Pac then I belive Biggie when he said Pac told him in that parking lot that he was only beefng with him for the money.

I noticed in your responses u aren't really proving any points as to how Hip Hop is a culture. U just admited that beef in Hip Hop was entertaining but beef isn't a sign of being civilized which is the corner stone of culture.

There is BEEF in all cultures, beef in American culture. Are you telling me American Culture isn't culture?
There is popular culture which includes people like Miley Cyrus. There is drug culture. Punk Culture which was anti everything, usually with violence as well.

There are multiple cultures and you are just denouncing them with you little Merriam Webster quote. Just denouncing 100s of years of work by googling culture. There is a reason to why I don't discuss these type of things on the internet and stick to discussing extensive discussions through formal procedures if it's in writing (see university) or face to face if it's informal.