Hip-Hop Economist Cedric Muhammad: "Why Good Socialism Defeats Bad Capitalism"

theworldismine13

God Emperor of SOHH
Joined
May 4, 2012
Messages
22,713
Reputation
555
Daps
22,615
Reppin
Arrakis
How does he know that 'good capitalism' is not a realistic goal while 'good socialism' is?

I don't know about you, but losing ANY degree of individual freedom is just not acceptable.

i think his premise is that bad socialism and bad capitalism are the only two choices that the public are being offered via the major political parties

that being said, i think his individual freedom comment was horrendous and killed his thesis
 

Black smoke and cac jokes

Your daps are mine
Joined
May 14, 2012
Messages
2,703
Reputation
695
Daps
7,169
2) Socialism is more sensitive to signals of wealth inequality. Although its prescriptions for the problem – things like raising the minimum wage, universal healthcare and shared ownership of productive assets – are trickier to deliver than they assume, socialism is far superior to capitalism in telling us that a member of the electorate is being left behind and that a gap in the wealth distribution is widening. This is natural – capitalism puts a premium on unbridled freedom rather than egalitarian equality. It is socialists who have been more vociferous in opposition to the central problem of the post-Bretton Woods environment – “a breakdown in the system of financial intermediation — the ability of the market to finance the exchange of relatively simple tasks, because of the risks attached to a floating currency and almost confiscatory taxation of capital,” as Jude described. Republicans whine about the latter problem without doing anything about currency stability. If they were to follow Nathan Lewis’ advice and offer growth-oriented tax reform coupled with a return to the gold standard they would achieve what Karl Marx articulated better than Adam Smith about money par excellence.

:snoop: That was a whole lot of nothing..

Anyways, to believe that socialistic inputs by themselves are a viable replacement for capitalism just proves a person's lack of knowledge in economics. Also, the stated government attributions are useless without a productive base which the article undermines due to the possibility of unequal distribution of wealth. With this said, what the US currently have implemented is a form of bad capitalism and thus shows the relevance of the article.
 

OsO

Souldier
Joined
May 6, 2012
Messages
5,049
Reputation
1,142
Daps
12,104
Reppin
Harlem
any social system that has corrupt leaders in charge is doomed from the start.
 

TLR Is Mental Poison

The Coli Is Not For You
Supporter
Joined
May 3, 2012
Messages
46,178
Reputation
7,473
Daps
105,793
Reppin
The Opposite Of Elliott Wilson's Mohawk
How does he know that 'good capitalism' is not a realistic goal while 'good socialism' is?

I don't know about you, but losing ANY degree of individual freedom is just not acceptable.
So should folks be able to kill, steal, assault etc? All law is a reduction of individual freedom.
 

The Real

Anti-Ignorance
Joined
May 8, 2012
Messages
6,353
Reputation
725
Daps
10,726
Reppin
NYC
and you agree this reduction should be minimal yes?

You're still conceptualizing it in an incomplete way. Laws against killing and stealing increase the freedom of those who might otherwise be killed or robbed. In other words, most such laws don't simply decrease freedom. "Prohibitions" can increase freedom, too. Once this basic point has been accepted, laws can be discussed in a more accurate way.

Muhammad makes the same mistake in his article.
 

DEAD7

Veteran
Supporter
Joined
Oct 5, 2012
Messages
50,973
Reputation
4,416
Daps
89,065
Reppin
Fresno, CA.
You're still conceptualizing it in an incomplete way. Laws against killing and stealing increase the freedom of those who might otherwise be killed or robbed. In other words, most such laws don't simply decrease freedom. "Prohibitions" can increase freedom, too. Once this basic point has been accepted, laws can be discussed in a more accurate way.

Muhammad makes the same mistake in his article.
Sure, but we should still seek to minimize the reduction in freedoms whenever possible no?
 

TLR Is Mental Poison

The Coli Is Not For You
Supporter
Joined
May 3, 2012
Messages
46,178
Reputation
7,473
Daps
105,793
Reppin
The Opposite Of Elliott Wilson's Mohawk
and you agree this reduction should be minimal yes?
Not arbitrarily, no. Civilized societies are a balance of individual freedoms and collective restrictions. For example I think it's good that folks don't have the freedom to, for example, impersonate police officers. Not allowing someone to do that is a "reduction in freedom", but it's more than balanced by the collective benefits. The mere existence of entities like the law and law enforcement is a huge impediment to freedom; yet I am sure you see the value in law/law enforcement for a functional society. So this whole "reduction in freedom" thing is a red herring. Unless you are for a lawless, govt-less society, which I am not trying to dismiss or devalue, stop talking about "freedom". You are just a proponent for a different balance of freedom/restriction which still includes some restrictions; however, you can't seem to lay out exactly why your balance is better than anyone else's without resorting to vague emotional allusions to abstract concepts like "tyranny" etc.
 

The Real

Anti-Ignorance
Joined
May 8, 2012
Messages
6,353
Reputation
725
Daps
10,726
Reppin
NYC
Sure, but we should still seek to minimize the reduction in freedoms whenever possible no?

Yes, provided they are minimal, which can't be assessed if laws are seen simply as reductions. From that perspective, mandatory schooling for children or immunizations are simply arbitrary reductions of freedom.

What counts as minimal will naturally involve a value judgment as to what one considers an ideal social setup.
 

DEAD7

Veteran
Supporter
Joined
Oct 5, 2012
Messages
50,973
Reputation
4,416
Daps
89,065
Reppin
Fresno, CA.
Yes, provided they are minimal, which can't be assessed if laws are seen simply as reductions. From that perspective, mandatory school laws for children or immunizations are simply arbitrary reductions of freedom.

What counts as minimal will naturally involve a value judgment as to what one considers an ideal social setup.
I dont think anyone is claiming they are "just" reductions...
 

DEAD7

Veteran
Supporter
Joined
Oct 5, 2012
Messages
50,973
Reputation
4,416
Daps
89,065
Reppin
Fresno, CA.
Not arbitrarily, no. Civilized societies are a balance of individual freedoms and collective restrictions. For example I think it's good that folks don't have the freedom to, for example, impersonate police officers. Not allowing someone to do that is a "reduction in freedom", but it's more than balanced by the collective benefits. The mere existence of entities like the law and law enforcement is a huge impediment to freedom; yet I am sure you see the value in law/law enforcement for a functional society. So this whole "reduction in freedom" thing is a red herring. Unless you are for a lawless, govt-less society, which I am not trying to dismiss or devalue, stop talking about "freedom". You are just a proponent for a different balance of freedom/restriction which still includes some restrictions; however, you can't seem to lay out exactly why your balance is better than anyone else's without resorting to vague emotional allusions to abstract concepts like "tyranny" etc.
I'd agree with this, I'm for more freedom, and less force.

... something that is pretty extreme from what I have gathered.
 

The Real

Anti-Ignorance
Joined
May 8, 2012
Messages
6,353
Reputation
725
Daps
10,726
Reppin
NYC
I dont think anyone is claiming they are "just" reductions...

Several people have in this thread already, and like I said, Muhammad makes this error, too (a classic mistake of economists who think their discipline gives them the ability and jurisdiction to talk political philosophy.)
 
Top