High Stakes in Africa: Can the U.S. Catch China?

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China gives NO fukks about Africa though. Don't get that twisted.


Yeah, except for the fact an ever increasing number of Chinese migrant workers are actually marrying African women and having children with them. There's a shortage of women in China, what exactly do you think they're going to do when hundreds of millions of Chinese flood Africa.
 

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Check WHAT work?

China is notorious for not even hiring africans. They straight in there pimping the land and they do what any other nation would do.

Don't even pretend china is helping africa in any way.
im wondering what your definition of help is?

That was the dream, at least. But like Washington's regime change and nation-building projects in Iraq and Afghanistan, things soon started going very, very wrong. Today, South Sudan's armed forces are little more than a collection of competing militiasthat have fractured along ethnic lines and turned on each other. The country's political institutions and economy are in shambles, its oil production (which accounts for about 90% of government revenue) is crippled,corruption goes unchecked, towns have been looted and leveled during recent fighting, the nation is mired in a massive humanitarian crisis, famine looms, and inter-ethnic relations may have been irreparably damaged.

Sound familiar? On the other hand..

During the years when America was helping bring South Sudan into existence, another world power also took an interest in the country—and a very different tack when it came to its development. After having invested a reported $20 billion in Sudan—a country long on the U.S. sanctions blacklist—China watched as the new nation of South Sudan claimedabout 75% of its oil fields. In 2012, newly inaugurated South Sudanese President Salva Kiir traveled to China where he sipped champagne with then-President Hu Jintao and reportedly secured a pledge of $8 billion to build up his country's infrastructure and support its oil sector. (A top Chinese envoy later dismissed reports of such a sum, but hinted that China was willing to make even greater investments in the country if it achieved a lasting peace with its northern neighbor.)Two years later, the China National Petroleum Corporation, with a 40% stake, is now the largest shareholder in the Greater Nile Petroleum Operating Company, the top oil consortium in South Sudan.

Resources traded for infrastructure are, however, just one facet of China's expanding economic relationship with Africa. Looking down the road, Beijing increasingly sees the continent as a market for its manufacturing products. While the West agesand sinks deeper into debt, Africa is getting younger and growing at an exponential pace. Its population is, according to demographers, poised to double by the middle of the century, jumping to as many as 3.5 billion—larger than China and India combined—with working-age people far outnumbering the elderly and children. With its ability to produce goods at low prices, China is betting on being a major supplier of a growing African market when it comes to food, clothes, appliances, and other consumer goods.

Then theres the infrastructure, schools, malaria clinics etc.. china plays chess not checkers lol soft power > iron fist
 

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you do realize that in african nations 60-70% of the workers must be natives right :comeon:

yes they want resources, but it's a resource for infrastructure deal, plus there is a huge skill transfer here. we tired of repeating the same thing to y'all
I've heard otherwise but I might be wrong.

I heard several companies were importing their own workers on these corporations.
 

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The US wont catch up to China using their current strategy. China's foreign policy is largely driven by economics whereas the US adds politics, war against terror etc. It is easier for China to walk in and just get down to business with no obligation to talk about terrorism. They however insist on not recognizing Taiwan but that was never a big issue for most countries.An unspoken about aspect of Chinese foreign policy is that they initially engaged with African countries in the 60s and supported liberation movements back then and also helped countries like Tanzania and Zambia by building a railway in the 70s and forgave the debt. They are now coming back into Africa in a much better financial condition but they had already built up some links going way back. I think China sees opportunity in partnering African countries in a way that the US has yet to see, a preoccupation with terrorism and securing oil and gas supplies prevented them from going into infrastructure and investments in other sectors. Currently AGOA which is the deal that allows access for African products in US markets is up for review and already there are some businesses in the US who want the agriculture portion to be revised. The act itself has seen about 80% of the imports being in oil and gas with relatively little diversity of goods except those from South Africa which is about to be excluded as well.
 

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im wondering what your definition of help is?

That was the dream, at least. But like Washington's regime change and nation-building projects in Iraq and Afghanistan, things soon started going very, very wrong. Today, South Sudan's armed forces are little more than a collection of competing militiasthat have fractured along ethnic lines and turned on each other. The country's political institutions and economy are in shambles, its oil production (which accounts for about 90% of government revenue) is crippled,corruption goes unchecked, towns have been looted and leveled during recent fighting, the nation is mired in a massive humanitarian crisis, famine looms, and inter-ethnic relations may have been irreparably damaged.

Sound familiar? On the other hand..

During the years when America was helping bring South Sudan into existence, another world power also took an interest in the country—and a very different tack when it came to its development. After having invested a reported $20 billion in Sudan—a country long on the U.S. sanctions blacklist—China watched as the new nation of South Sudan claimedabout 75% of its oil fields. In 2012, newly inaugurated South Sudanese President Salva Kiir traveled to China where he sipped champagne with then-President Hu Jintao and reportedly secured a pledge of $8 billion to build up his country's infrastructure and support its oil sector. (A top Chinese envoy later dismissed reports of such a sum, but hinted that China was willing to make even greater investments in the country if it achieved a lasting peace with its northern neighbor.)Two years later, the China National Petroleum Corporation, with a 40% stake, is now the largest shareholder in the Greater Nile Petroleum Operating Company, the top oil consortium in South Sudan.

Resources traded for infrastructure are, however, just one facet of China's expanding economic relationship with Africa. Looking down the road, Beijing increasingly sees the continent as a market for its manufacturing products. While the West agesand sinks deeper into debt, Africa is getting younger and growing at an exponential pace. Its population is, according to demographers, poised to double by the middle of the century, jumping to as many as 3.5 billion—larger than China and India combined—with working-age people far outnumbering the elderly and children. With its ability to produce goods at low prices, China is betting on being a major supplier of a growing African market when it comes to food, clothes, appliances, and other consumer goods.

Then theres the infrastructure, schools, malaria clinics etc.. china plays chess not checkers lol soft power > iron fist

Source if anyone wants to read more:

http://www.tomdispatch.com/blog/175875/
 

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do you guys get paid to shill for China and Russia?

Right? The Comrade Coalition is tough on here.

Props to China for forging an actual partnership, but as always the Coli thinks short term. I want to see what comes of this partnership 20 years down the line. 50 years.
 

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Props to China for forging an actual partnership, but as always the Coli thinks short term. I want to see what comes of this partnership 20 years down the line. 50 years.

This is very ironic

Understanding that, for the remainder of the century, the bulk of global population growth will take place in Africa, China is making a long bet on the emergence of vibrant, high-consuming middle classes there, and with each year this wager is looking smarter and smarter.

Although at a glance Africa still looks overwhelmingly poor, it’s recently become the fastest-growing region of the world, and its share of global gross domestic product has increased to 4.1 percent, from 3.4 percent in 2000—a trend that figures to accelerate. Africa already has a middle class larger than India’s, albeit a balkanized one. And as the economic emergence continues, it will benefit more and more from new technologies that will allow it to leapfrog communication and infrastructure hurdles.

Perhaps most important is Africa’s so-called demographic dividend, which over the next few decades will place most of the population in the most productive, youthful, and heavily consuming phase of life. Young people in Africa resemble less and less the peasant multitudes of the past. Instead, they are urban and highly globalized in terms of culture. African investment in education, among the highest in the world in terms of percentage of GDP, can barely keep up with the heavy demand for learning. The thirst for education can be seen in United Nations data that show enrollment in secondary schools jumped 48 percent in sub-Saharan Africa from 2000 to 2008; higher-education rates grew 80 percent.

China’s dreams of Africa are not unlike the Western dreams of China over the past century, which consisted of an immense volume play: a vision of selling a yard of cloth or a gadget or a bauble to every Chinese person. The only difference is that the Chinese are increasingly in a position to make their dream come true.

China’s investment isn’t limited to a natural resources play. Africa has a middle class larger than India’s

Anyone who travels in Africa today can see that vision being patiently implemented. It consists of gradually familiarizing consumers with Chinese products, from mattresses to mobile phones. Building brand equity in the markets of the West is daunting and prohibitively costly. The biggest and best Chinese brands are fighting for a toehold there, but for the most part China is placing its chips on this demographic end run in Africa, seeing past the aging, debt-saturated markets of the West.
 

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Surprisingly, some African countries are missing "the big picture" with this rush back into Africa. African states could be trying to adopt Nigeria's adopted regarding boosting manufacturing and trade boosters like industrial railways, dredging up rivers for transports, tariffs on selected products like automobiles to create an indigenous industry etc.

South Africa is just muddling along for instance.
 

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Surprisingly, some African countries are missing "the big picture" with this rush back into Africa. African states could be trying to adopt Nigeria's adopted regarding boosting manufacturing and trade boosters like industrial railways, dredging up rivers for transports, tariffs on selected products like automobiles to create an indigenous industry etc.

South Africa is just muddling along for instance.

Nigeria has a resource and population advantage and Cacs didn't set-up shop like they did in SA.

I really like that E.A. idea of smaller African states unifying and eventually becoming 1 state.
 

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Nigeria has a resource and population advantage and Cacs didn't set-up shop like they did in SA.

I really like that E.A. idea of smaller African states unifying and eventually becoming 1 state.

You're right about Nigeria's control of its economy. Thankfully, tropical West Africa made it hard for Cac's to settle in unlike in Kenya, Algeria and Southern Africa. I hope East African endeavours to economically unite happen. Maybe they'll emphasize Swahili more as a business/diplomatic language?
 

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Yeah, except for the fact an ever increasing number of Chinese migrant workers are actually marrying African women and having children with them. There's a shortage of women in China, what exactly do you think they're going to do when hundreds of millions of Chinese flood Africa.
lol

that will be interesting. China will take over africa. It will be too hard to hide if you are mixed rofl. Therefore inevitably the native africans will start slaughtering the half asians. Then the half asians will just decimate the native africans :manny:.
 

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lol

that will be interesting. China will take over africa. It will be too hard to hide if you are mixed rofl. Therefore inevitably the native africans will start slaughtering the half asians. Then the half asians will just decimate the native africans :manny:.

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@BarNone @Brown_Pride at what point do you ban this idiot?
 
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