Heritage Foundation unveils “Project 2025” to dismantle the U.S. federal government in Trump’s second term

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Wtf are you crying about? Single Americans with no kids are fukked constantly by taxes because we're penalized for having having spawns or married to miserable people

This is a fact. If you apply for benefits without being homeless you’ll get laughed at by the social worker as a single man lmao.
 

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A lot of what they want depends on the courts allowing them to do it. It does go away if you get it back. The next 8 years are critical to that.
With what we've recently experienced this isn't even worth betting on, the chances of this happening are
pretty low IMO.

It's a plan that has been in motion for over half a century and requires large cultural change and significant overhaul.

You can thank Lewis Powell for setting a lot of this in motion:

Lewis Powell Former Supreme Court Justice

Again, this is something that will likely outlive anyone on here that thinks they
can "vote it away!!".
 

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With what we've recently experienced this isn't even worth betting on, the chances of this happening are
pretty low IMO.

It's a plan that has been in motion for over half a century and requires large cultural change and significant overhaul.

You can thank Lewis Powell for setting a lot of this in motion:

Lewis Powell Former Supreme Court Justice

Again, this is something that will likely outlive anyone on here that thinks they
can "vote it away!!".
Based on demographic trends I don’t necessarily think any thing other than the ideology will outlive anyone on here (with the caveat that dems need to win this year and 2028).
 

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Based on demographic trends I don’t necessarily think any thing other than the ideology will outlive anyone on here (with the caveat that dems need to win this year and 2028).
All of this is about ideology.

And this ideology is in direction relation to capital and how those who have it think the country should be run.

Even those with substantial funds are calling for Biden to step down.

This is a clear disconnect that the voting public who hopes and dreams struggles with.

Donors are largely running the show on either side, and neither is looking to give up their riches.

The very thing you're talking about (Controlling the Supreme Court) is literally the brainchild of Lewis Powell.

This is a problem that I have no doubt will not only outlive us but will continue to be an issue for generations unless
there is a fundamental overhaul.

This is why I said "Project 2025" is really not a new invention at all, if it energizes people and gets them politically invested
that is good but if it all does is it gets them to run out and vote in November and that is it, then it's actually working as intended.
 

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All of this is about ideology.

And this ideology is in direction relation to capital and how those who have it think the country should be run.

Even those with substantial funds are calling for Biden to step down.

This is a clear disconnect that the voting public who hopes and dreams struggles with.

Donors are largely running the show on either side, and neither is looking to give up their riches.

The very thing you're talking about (Controlling the Supreme Court) is literally the brainchild of Lewis Powell.

This is a problem that I have no doubt will not only outlive us but will continue to be an issue for generations unless
there is a fundamental overhaul.

This is why I said "Project 2025" is really not a new invention at all, if it energizes people and gets them politically invested
that is good but if it all does is it gets them to run out and vote in November and that is it, then it's actually working as intended.
Maybe we are talking about different things. The overall jist is you seem to think it’s inevitable a soon to be minority population (in a few decades) will successfully turn this country into a white Christian nationalist state. I guess we will see, starting with November.
 

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Maybe we are talking about different things. The overall jist is you seem to think it’s inevitable a soon to be minority population (in a few decades) will successfully turn this country into a Christian nationalist state. I guess we will see.

No.
What I'm saying, is the thing you think is a "minority population" is largely the result of corporate influence.

There will always be people who bend conservative and specifically there will always be people who believe
wholesale in the protection of corporate or state interests, even to the detriment of themselves.

This is something we see regularly on here and it's often met with derision or claims of ignorance, but it really comes down to people
being unwilling to look behind the curtain.

Again, Project 2025 or any variation of it has existed for several decades now and even in the modern day, "conservatism" is recognized
as a platform to launder the beliefs of the rich, something you and many others readily acknowledge in this thread.

In short:

It'll be around years from now, it ain't stoppin'.
 

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No.
What I'm saying, is the thing you think is a "minority population" is largely the result of corporate influence.

There will always be people who bend conservative and specifically there will always be people who believe
wholesale in the protection of corporate or state interests, even to the detriment of themselves.

This is something we see regularly on here and it's often met with derision or claims of ignorance, but it really comes down to people
being unwilling to look behind the curtain.

Again, Project 2025 or any variation of it has existed for several decades now and even in the modern day, "conservatism" is recognized
as a platform to launder the beliefs of the rich, something you and many others readily acknowledge in this thread.

In short:

It'll be around years from now, it ain't stoppin'.
I agree. I’m saying the difference between it being a 900 page wish list and actual law is dependent on the structural mechanisms being in place to make it law. There is an opportunity to prevent that and it becomes more difficult for them to have the necessary people in place the longer it is delayed based on current demo trends. There are always going to be people that want some version of project 2025 in place, whether they have the ability to do so is a different story.
 

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if they win while advertising it in this manner i think they deserve the opportunity to implement it fully. they are not being shady and hiding their true intentions.
 

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I agree. I’m saying the difference between it being a 900 page wish list and actual law is dependent on the structural mechanisms being in place to make it law. There is an opportunity to prevent that and it becomes more difficult for them to have the necessary people in place the longer it is delayed based on current demo trends. There are always going to be people that want some version of project 2025 in place, whether they have the ability to do so is a different story.

Them having the ability to do so really is not a different story.

It is THE STORY.

This idea that it's just this vanishing concept or idea that'll disappear "with time" is hopeful wishing that falls under
"The arc of the moral universe is long but bends toward justice".

We have consistently seen that incrementalism or hoping for things to "just work" once we get the "right pieces in place"
is putting entirely too much faith into people who have shown they will protect the interests of the state (or capital which can and
often do align) before the interests of their voters.

This something seen with presidencies between either party where in many ways they picked up where their predecessor left off.

Through:
Supporting increasing militaristic polcing.
Expanding surveillance.
Continuing wars.
Cow towing to large corporations like Walmart or BP or Google or Facebook etc.
 

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Them having the ability to do so really is not a different story.

It is THE STORY.

This idea that it's just this vanishing concept or idea that'll disappear "with time" is hopeful wishing that falls under
"The arc of the moral universe is long but bends toward justice".

We have consistently seen that incrementalism or hoping for things to "just work" once we get the "right pieces in place"
is putting entirely too much faith into people who have shown they will protect the interests of the state (or capital which can and
often do align) before the interests of their voters.

This something seen with presidencies between either party where in many ways they picked up where their predecessor left off.

Through:
Supporting increasing militaristic polcing.
Expanding surveillance.
Continuing wars.
Cow towing to large corporations like Walmart or BP or Google or Facebook etc.
I didn’t say the idea would die. I actually literally said there will always be people that want some version of the idea implemented into law. Then you just rambled into some other shyt.

You got it big dog. :snoop:
 

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I didn’t say the idea would die. I actually literally said there will always be people that want some version of the idea implemented into law. Then you just rambled into some other shyt.

You got it big dog. :snoop:

I didn't ramble tbh.

Everything I said is consistent with where I started:

Project 2025 ain't new.

Democrats and Republicans in practice aren't dissimilar.

The State and Capital have interests that often align and even when they don't

Capital seeks to manipulate the state by installing key figures in specific positions to further

their interests like stacking the Supreme Court or gerrymandering districts.

but whatever breh, I know I'm not convincing you of anything sooooo:

Vote Blue, No Matter Who. :banderas:
 

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I didn't ramble tbh.

Everything I said is consistent with where I started:

Project 2025 ain't new.

Democrats and Republicans in practice aren't dissimilar.

The State and Capital have interests that often align and even when they don't

Capital seeks to manipulate the state by installing key figures in specific positions to further

their interests like stacking the Supreme Court or gerrymandering districts.

but whatever breh, I know I'm not convincing you of anything sooooo:

Vote Blue, No Matter Who. :banderas:
You could have saved me the trouble of responding to you the past hour if you would have just let me know you were on this type of both sides time from the jump. That’s on me for giving you the benefit of the doubt so I’ll hold that one.
 

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You could have saved me the trouble of responding to you the past hour if you would have just let me know you were on this type of both sides time from the jump. That’s on me for giving you the benefit of the doubt so I’ll hold that one.


I mean, I was down to engage in this topic in good faith and point you to some resources
but you obviously DO NOT want that.

It's pretty clear that you don't take kindly to any criticism of the Democrats and run with their platform wholesale.

Which to me is a myopic and limited way to view the world tbh and pretty ahistorical to Black American Activism.

But do you man.
 
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