Heelmatic
The Carolina Blueprint
They drafted Johnny Manziel over Derek Carr and Teddy Bridgewater
For what he cost and what he’s produced on the field it’s not a question, Deshaun is WOAT.
He Can’t Keep Getting Away With This:2024 Cleveland Browns Thread
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For what he cost and what he’s produced on the field it’s not a question, Deshaun is WOAT.
This offense is like watching someone trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Whatever they schemed up is not working. Have to admit it and move on to something that does.what prime talent is currently being wasted especially on offense? I get it Watson hasn't played well downright trash at times, but lets not pretend hes the only issue out there. Hes not the one dropping passes that hits folks right between the numbers, line not being able to run or pass block, etc. The entire offense is trash, is it the plays or the players? Who knows
Leonard Washington
Superstar
They say they brought in Ken Dorsey to help implement a scheme for Watson, yet Stefanski is still in charge of playcalling
hes a control freak when it comes to the offense. He wouldn't let AVP call plays neither. Would it make a difference? Who really knows, but DW did not look THIS bad last season. The whole squad looks to have regressed due to injuries, age, etc
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O-line needs to get retooled heavily in the offseason. let jed walk, overpaying him to be a league average/slightly below average LT isn't worth it. probably a new o-line coach too
draft 3 OL minimum . look to either move off watson in the offseason or try one more year and draft a quarterback if he still stinks.
as bad as watson's been the o-line has been worse, nobody would look particularly good behind them right now. drafting a qb to play behind them as soon as this offseason might ruin them
draft 3 OL minimum . look to either move off watson in the offseason or try one more year and draft a quarterback if he still stinks.
as bad as watson's been the o-line has been worse, nobody would look particularly good behind them right now. drafting a qb to play behind them as soon as this offseason might ruin them
It's time to pull the plug and move on. This is not all his fault but he is not the solution either. Not worth the headache nor division within the fanbase. He just doesn't fit within the team overall concept and it's okay to admit that they swing hard and missed badly. That is just a part of life and you just learn and go forward in another direction.O-line needs to get retooled heavily in the offseason. let jed walk, overpaying him to be a league average/slightly below average LT isn't worth it. probably a new o-line coach too
draft 3 OL minimum . look to either move off watson in the offseason or try one more year and draft a quarterback if he still stinks.
as bad as watson's been the o-line has been worse, nobody would look particularly good behind them right now. drafting a qb to play behind them as soon as this offseason might ruin them
Deshawn Diddy Watson is only good when he has an innocent massage therapist to sexually harass.
I don't think it's financially feasible. if he shows some improvement and consistency through the rest of the season they will 100% give him another year.
after that though if he is just pretty good, but can't elevate the team to a deep playoff run I think they go the green bay route and draft a qb then
Ownership going to have the eat the money regardless of what they do. They are paying Watson to overcome any issues they have, be elite and win. Not only he can't do that, he barely looks competent at times. You can't just leave him it and hope it works when you have other players on the team who wants to win like Myles, Chubb and Denzel who been here during the rebuilt. Kevin has shown that he can win with other QBs. Only DW4 has look bad to mediocre with him for the most part. It's okay to admit that they are a bad fit and pivot to something else. Watson is not a serviceable QB for Cleveland and the team needs to see if Winston can at least make the offense looks competent to save this season, hope that he can be a bridge QB for the future and look for potential QBs in the draft either this year or next. I'm not blaming Deshaun for all of the issues but it just time to move forward because this current integration is not working at all. It just a sad fact that we need to deal with.
DW is not playing good enough to will them to some wins, but he’s not the “problem” either.
Team is dysfunctional from top to bottom. No QB coming in making this team look good.
I’ve been wanting stefanski gone for years. Hopefully i get my wish.
Team is dysfunctional from top to bottom. No QB coming in making this team look good.
I’ve been wanting stefanski gone for years. Hopefully i get my wish.
Remy LeBreh
Linconia
Not to stand for Stefanski but Deshaun is actively making everyone worse, there's no metric or video evidence of him doing anything at a high level this season with consistency. He's completely sapped Stefanski of joy, remember how fukking happy he was with Flacco playing? Everyone shyts on the o-line but they've been middle of the pack and Deshaun has had plenty of time to throw, he just is slow to process or runs into sacks. Our run game can't work because defenses know he can't make routine throws. Go look at that Jeudy drop, he was open off the break and Deshaun was too slow to notice, then forced it to him out of rhythm
We've seen all of the elements on the field be successful in other forms, Deshaun, and changing the offense to fit him, is the common denominator. And he can't run the shotgun heavy offense that's tailored for him, it's wild
I get that some of you weirdo brehs have had a gripe with Stefanski for whatever reason but if he gets fired he'll have a job with another team before he leaves the parking lot, and probably be a perennial playoff coach. The org gave Watson all this power for some reason and refuses to move on.
We've seen all of the elements on the field be successful in other forms, Deshaun, and changing the offense to fit him, is the common denominator. And he can't run the shotgun heavy offense that's tailored for him, it's wild
I get that some of you weirdo brehs have had a gripe with Stefanski for whatever reason but if he gets fired he'll have a job with another team before he leaves the parking lot, and probably be a perennial playoff coach. The org gave Watson all this power for some reason and refuses to move on.
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Heelmatic
The Carolina Blueprint
They can’t cut him or trade him. The best way to move on is to tell him to stay home and collect his money.Not to stand for Stefanski but Deshaun is actively making everyone worse, there's no metric or video evidence of him doing anything at a high level this season with consistency. He's completely sapped Stefanski of joy, remember how fukking happy he was with Flacco playing? Everyone shyts on the o-line but they've been middle of the pack and Deshaun has had plenty of time to throw, he just is slow to process or runs into sacks. Our run game can't work because defenses know he can't make routine throws. Go look at that Jeudy drop, he was open off the break and Deshaun was too slow to notice, then forced it to him out of rhythm
We've seen all of the elements on the field be successful in other forms, Deshaun, and changing the offense to fit him, is the common denominator. And he can't run the shotgun heavy offense that's tailored for him, it's wild
I get that some of you weirdo brehs have had a gripe with Stefanski for whatever reason but if he gets fired he'll have a job with another team before he leaves the parking lot, and probably be a perennial playoff coach. The org gave Watson all this power for some reason and refuses to move on.
My biggest problem with Stefanski is the lack of discipline. The constant penalties every fukking game has been old. His decision making at crucial points in the game is terrible. His two good seasons he benefited from very easy schedules. What brilliant games has he called? The best called game of the Stefanski era was by AVP in the playoffs against the Steelers. He sucks and whoever wants him can have him.
Andrew Berry failed this team as well. The new o-line coach sucks too he needs to be fired.
firemanBk
The Manslayer
Anyone thinking Watson can continue to be the starter playing like he is is delusional
Those players don't want to play with him plain and simple
They know he sucks
They practice with him, they know he ain't the guy from Clemson or Houston anymore
When the QB is this bad, it drags the entire team down
They won't be a particularly good team with Jameis, but I guarantee they would at least be a watchable product on the field and players would give more of an effort
Those players don't want to play with him plain and simple
They know he sucks
They practice with him, they know he ain't the guy from Clemson or Houston anymore
When the QB is this bad, it drags the entire team down
They won't be a particularly good team with Jameis, but I guarantee they would at least be a watchable product on the field and players would give more of an effort
Flex Luger
Job Is Finished
Like did all the lawsuits and negative press take this much out of breh?
Leonard Washington
Superstar
Im trying to understand the fall off from last year to this year with #4 cause it wasn't this bad. Here is his 2023 games where he went 4-1
Game 1 (W 24-3) 16-29 159 1 Td 1 5 carries 45 yards vs Cincy in the weird windy weather where Qb play overall was terrible (Burrow went 14-31 82 yards)
Game 2 (L 26-22) 22-40 235 1 TD 1 INT (the Chubb injury game)
Game 3 vs Tennessee (W 27-3) 27-33 289 2 Tds 0 picks (should've been 2 TDs with 300+ yards but a Coop TD was blown dead)
Arizona (W 27-0) 19-30 219 2 Tds 0 INT 3 carries for 22 yards
Baltimore (W 33-31) 20-34 213 1Td 1 INT 8 carries 37 yards. Had an awful first half and played a perfect 2nd half injured leading the comeback.
Ive watched every snap this season and there is a disconnect somewhere with the squad this season that goes beyond QB1 cause the whole team has looked buns at times. Bad passes, dropped passes, running wrong routes. not able run the ball at a below average rate, clock mismanagement, penalties, defense giving up big plays, cant tackle in open spaces, o-line in shambles with injuries. Its mind blowing to see
Game 1 (W 24-3) 16-29 159 1 Td 1 5 carries 45 yards vs Cincy in the weird windy weather where Qb play overall was terrible (Burrow went 14-31 82 yards)
Game 2 (L 26-22) 22-40 235 1 TD 1 INT (the Chubb injury game)
Game 3 vs Tennessee (W 27-3) 27-33 289 2 Tds 0 picks (should've been 2 TDs with 300+ yards but a Coop TD was blown dead)
Arizona (W 27-0) 19-30 219 2 Tds 0 INT 3 carries for 22 yards
Baltimore (W 33-31) 20-34 213 1Td 1 INT 8 carries 37 yards. Had an awful first half and played a perfect 2nd half injured leading the comeback.
Ive watched every snap this season and there is a disconnect somewhere with the squad this season that goes beyond QB1 cause the whole team has looked buns at times. Bad passes, dropped passes, running wrong routes. not able run the ball at a below average rate, clock mismanagement, penalties, defense giving up big plays, cant tackle in open spaces, o-line in shambles with injuries. Its mind blowing to see
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Remy LeBreh
Linconia
Different offensive scheme, the Kubiak/Stefanski system. Watson just doesn't want to run it but it worksIm trying to understand the fall off from last year to this year with #4 cause it wasn't this bad. Here is his 2023 games where he went 4-1
Game 1 (W 24-3) 16-29 159 1 Td 1 5 carries 45 yards vs Cincy in the weird windy weather where Qb play overall was terrible (Burrow went 14-31 82 yards)
Game 2 (L 26-22) 22-40 235 1 TD 1 INT (the Chubb injury game)
Game 3 vs Tennessee (W 27-3) 27-33 289 2 Tds 0 picks (should've been 2 TDs with 300+ yards but a Coop TD was blown dead)
Arizona (W 27-0) 19-30 219 2 Tds 0 INT 3 carries for 22 yards
Baltimore (W 33-31) 20-34 213 1Td 1 INT 8 carries 37 yards. Had an awful first half and played a perfect 2nd half injured leading the comeback.
Ive watched every snap this season and there is a disconnect somewhere with the squad this season that goes beyond QB1 cause the whole team has looked buns at times. Bad passes, dropped passes, running wrong routes. not able run the ball at a below average rate, clock mismanagement, penalties, defense giving up big plays, cant tackle in open spaces, o-line in shambles with injuries. Its mind blowing to see
Dorsey's system was eventually shytty in Buffalo but when it works it requires a lot of designed QB run plays, and Deshaun doesn't want to run those plays...he's not great as a runner at this point anyway. He just wants to operate out of the shotgun, empty sets on occasion. I think he's the worst QB in the league from the shotgun and from empty sets right now. Dorsey's system also doesn't enhance the run game at all.
The league figured out how to handle QBs like Deshaun (mostly 2 high safeties and faster D lineman and lbs)while he was getting sat in Houston and he's incapable of adjusting. Remember when the Chargers smoked Lamar in the playoffs and he went and improved as a passer ... Deshaun hasn't done that.
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