Happy St Patty's Day (and why it is not the white man's fault)

[cinna_man]

I never said scientific progress was not remarkable. I said that it is absurd that racist cacs like yourself believe that wiping out non-whites in order to pursue cacs' machinations is an OK thing to do. That's absurd and exactly the mindset cacs used to commit atrocities against non-whites.

If every time a black man submits a patent, would you be OK with someone killing one of your family members? Wiping out a cac country? Of course not. Cacs are hypocritical baby raping demons.

I already explained how "CAC" (cute derogatory term) nations were wiped out in the process of spreading civilization. You missed that whole concept of my original post. I don't really know, but I very well could have had tons of ancestors like cousins, uncles, aunts, brothers, sisters, parents that were brutally raped, murdered, and even enslaved in the past. Yes, it was more like 1500 years ago instead of 500 to 100 years ago, but so what? That's beside the point I'm making, which is that the idea of world domination, scientific domination, and eventually inter-stellar domination (if we get that far) is not something that only victimized one race of people. Ever since 10,000 years ago, when Middle Eastern people began to form settlements, people have been murdered for their land and often enslaved. Do you know the story of Cain and Abel? Cain represents the original settlers, and Abel represents the nomadic hunter-gatherer-sheperders nearby. The story actually originated in the tribal people surrounding the settlements and it was told as a campfire story to children to be aware and stay away from the murderous settlers. Unwittingly, the settlers heard the story, told it amongst themselves for generations without knowing its true meaning, and then it was put in their first religious texts.

Humanity has a brutal history, and it's wrong of you to take all the grief like you're the only group that's been brutalized. But furthermore, that does not mean I'm making the African slave trade to be 'not that big of a deal'. It happened, and we need to move on.

I responded to your points as you put them. You basically said every non-white is a savage, while cacs are not (I guess murder, land stealing, thievery, and teh like are not the hallmarks of a savage being), and it was justifiable to wipe out non-whites for cacs to pursue their interests. You imply non-whites should kneel to cacs as superiors. Your have a white paternalistic view, which is basically just white supremacy. I don't know what a "black isolationist" is, and don't think it's a real term, but you're a racist and that's all which matters. If you mean I'm pro-minority and against cac demony, then yes, that is what I am.

First, black isolationist is not even a fukking term. Second, it's not even clear what your use of this term even means. Third, if I took a logical reading of the word, it would not entail someone who is a "black isolationist". Fourth, everything you say in this post is basically nonsense.

Saying whites are to blame for this and that has nothing to do with anything. Refusing to accept compliments or friendship from cacs

No no.... Every tribal person lives a tribal lifestyle. There are a few white tribes still (up in Finland and maybe isolated parts near the Caucasus or the Basques on the western side of the continent), there are tribes all over Asia, in Polynesia, in Australia, in North America, in South America, and yes, in Africa. I never said savage, but even if I did, it wouldn't be derogatory.

Tribal does not mean bad.
Civilized does not mean good.
These are just terms to denote the form of social organization.

Maybe there are historical connotations to these terms, but you have to look past that.

 

[godkiller]

One is a black isolationist when you attribute all the blame for your current situations on a particular race.
One is a black isolationist when you label an entire race as bad.
One is a black isolationist when you refuse to see any good in any other races or at least one other race specifically.
One is a black isolationist when you refuse to accept compliments or friendship because you automatically perceive these actions as slights.
One is a black isolationist when you think your own race is the only one capable of discussing issues involving your race.

shyt, why am I even using the term black isolationist? You're just a racist.

Without even going into the fact "black isolationist" isn't even a term, I want to say that anyone who 1) refuses to attribute cac wrongs to cacs and makes up lies/ratonalizations to obfuscate or distract from the truth and 2) supports white paternalism, is a textbook racist, which means that's what you are. Also, if mean to say someone who opposes cac racism, historical revisionism and wrongdoing is a "black isolationist", then that is what I am. And proudly so. Second, anyone who 1) refuses to attribute cac wrongs to cacs and makes up lies/ratonalizations and 2) supports white paternalism is a textbook racist, which means that's what you are. Third, there's nothing wrong with being militant and black-oriented, and following whatever that entails. If the cac is to blame, then he is to blame. Those are the facts. That some wayward cac wants to yell and scream about it is irrelevant. I'm not even against blacks being isolationist in all but an economic sense either. That's just how it is and there's nothing wrong with it.

I already explained how "CAC" (cute derogatory term) nations were wiped out in the process of spreading civilization. You missed that whole concept of my original post. I don't really know, but I very well could have had tons of ancestors like cousins, uncles, aunts, brothers, sisters, parents that were brutally raped, murdered, and even enslaved in the past. Yes, it was more like 1500 years ago instead of 500 to 100 years ago, but so what? That's beside the point I'm making, which is that the idea of world domination, scientific domination, and eventually inter-stellar domination (if we get that far) is not something that only victimized one race of people. Ever since 10,000 years ago, when Middle Eastern people began to form settlements, people have been murdered for their land and often enslaved. Do you know the story of Cain and Abel? Cain represents the original settlers, and Abel represents the nomadic hunter-gatherer-sheperders nearby. The story actually originated in the tribal people surrounding the settlements and it was told as a campfire story to children to be aware and stay away from the murderous settlers. Unwittingly, the settlers heard the story, told it amongst themselves for generations without knowing its true meaning, and then it was put in their first religious texts.

The cac notion of "civilization" is his own and it is entirely his own reckoning over whether wiping out groups of people is worth his idea of "civilization". This arbitrary standard, which none but a group of bottle head cacs decide, is part of the reason your logic is absurd. After all, I could have my own idea of "civilization" and believe that all l blue people are an anchor on society, and that their death would advance my civilization. Would I then be justified in wiping out blue people in the interest of "civilization"? Of course not. And you know it too. It's just that you're a racist retarded cac who will do and say anything to justify his anti-black views. I adamantly oppose all cacs' views which justify, support or rationalize wiping out peoples--whether non-whites or whites--for cacs' ideas for "civilization". And I always will (virtually all non-whites do). I would rather every cac perish and their so-called civilization, built on the backs of my people, perish into oblivion than see Retarded cave ape cac, fukk YOU

Humanity has a brutal history, and it's wrong of you to take all the grief like you're the only group that's been brutalized. But furthermore, that does not mean I'm making the African slave trade to be 'not that big of a deal'. It happened, and we need to move on.

More sophist bullshyt. What does it mean to "take all the grief", is grief finite? I have a right to feel the way I like so long as it's justified. Why do cacs believe they have a right to tell nikkas what to feel and when to feel it? Shut the fukk up.

No no.... Every tribal person lives a tribal lifestyle. There are a few white tribes still (up in Finland), there are tribes all over Asia, in Polynesia, in Australia, in North America, in South America, and yes, in Africa. I never said savage, but even if I did, it wouldn't be derogatory. What's more brutal, killing one man in person with a knife or spear like a tribe would, or killing a whole village with a drone strike or destruction of habitat like a civilized world country has?

Tribal does not mean bad.
Civilized does not mean good.
These are just terms to denote the form of social organization.

You're walking back on what you said, cac. Your basic premise is exactly as I said it. You said Asians and whites were civilized, blacks were not, and that justifies inhumanities and atrocities against blacks. If you had told me this in real life I'd beat you fukking ass

 

[godkiller]

Being a savage is not such a bad thing. I'm not advocating everyone fall in line like a sheep to the powers that be. I'm on a hip hop board. Do you REALLY think I don't like black culture? Do you REALLY think I'm de-humanizing blacks by saying that the culture needs to not be so isolationist, in other words, it needs to make it's culture part of the public domain? See, what you're trying to do is privatize membership into this club. I've already accepted some of your values by coming your direction... you're the one who refuses to come my direction as well.

Your reply here answers this post: "
I will not stand idly by and let cacs denigrate and dehumanize non-whites, call them savages and advocate racist bullshyt."

That you don't even argue against my characterization, responding with "Being a savage is not such a bad thing", validates the fact you're a fukking white racist. You dare to dehumanize blacks by calling us savages.

Blacks have every right to isolate their culture. It's in their best interest. Why do black Americans have to make their culture "public domain", at their own detriment? Nah. Is every culture "public domain"? No. Polish culture isn't. Japanese culture isn't. Cacs don't have a problem with it. Cacs have a problem with nikkas. The membership needs to stay isolationist. Anyone who doesn't like it

 

[cinna_man]

Without even going into the fact "black isolationist" isn't even a term, I want to say that anyone who 1) refuses to attribute cac wrongs to cacs and makes up lies/ratonalizations to obfuscate or distract from the truth and 2) supports white paternalism, is a textbook racist, which means that's what you are. Also, if mean to say someone who opposes cac racism, historical revisionism and wrongdoing is a "black isolationist", then that is what I am. And proudly so. Second, anyone who 1) refuses to attribute cac wrongs to cacs and makes up lies/ratonalizations and 2) supports white paternalism is a textbook racist, which means that's what you are. Third, there's nothing wrong with being militant and black-oriented, and following whatever that entails. If the cac is to blame, then he is to blame. Those are the facts. That some wayward cac wants to yell and scream about it is irrelevant. I'm not even against blacks being isolationist in all but an economic sense either. That's just how it is and there's nothing wrong with it.

Ok, I'll repeat myself again. Only a few white groups in Europe are responsible for civilization, and the farther you go back, you find they themselves weren't the originators of the civilized idea. It goes back 10,000 years or more. I'm not denying blame that some white people DID buy slaves from Africa and commit atrocities. I'm denying blame to all of the white races over that ordeal. This is why YOU are being racist.

The cac notion of "civilization" is his own and it is entirely his own reckoning over whether wiping out groups of people is worth his idea of "civilization". This arbitrary standard, which none but a group of bottle head cacs decide, is part of the reason your logic is absurd. After all, I could have my own idea of "civilization" and believe that all l blue people are an anchor on society, and that their death would advance my civilization. Would I then be justified in wiping out blue people in the interest of "civilization"? Of course not. And you know it too. It's just that you're a racist retarded cac who will do and say anything to justify his anti-black views. I adamantly oppose all cacs' views which justify, support or rationalize wiping out peoples--whether non-whites or whites--for cacs' ideas for "civilization". And I always will (virtually all non-whites do). I would rather every cac perish and their so-called civilization, built on the backs of my people, perish into oblivion than see Retarded cave ape cac, fukk YOU

You're taking what I said, which was basically "it happened, it sucked, but it at least brought some positives", and you're turning it into "I feel the same way about the tribes that were killed in the process". I don't like the fact that such a genocide took place. I like the fact that civilization is advancing. Two different concepts.

More sophist bullshyt. What does it mean to "take all the grief", is grief finite? I have a right to feel the way I like so long as it's justified. Why do cacs believe they have a right to tell nikkas what to feel and when to feel it? Shut the fukk up.

Bla bla bla... we all have rights to talk. I have the right to say 'look at all of history', and you have the right to say 'shut the fukk up'. I don't really care. You should just save it.

You're walking back on what you said, cac. Your basic premise is exactly as I said it. You said Asians and whites were civilized, blacks were not, and that justifies inhumanities and atrocities against blacks. If you had told me this in real life I'd beat you fukking ass

No, I said America is a civilized nation, and so are all the other civilized nations. America WAS founded by white people, so you could say that those whites were civilized (they were; they lived in a civilization), and you could say all the tribes they killed to make that happen were tribal (they were; they lived in tribes). I'm not going back on that when I show how people of all skin colors still live in tribes around the world.

My basic premise was that tribal people have trouble adjusting to civilization. It takes hundreds of years. That's a fact, Jack. Cut the bullshyt.

 

[cinna_man]

Your reply here answers this post: "
I will not stand idly by and let cacs denigrate and dehumanize non-whites, call them savages and advocate racist bullshyt."

That you don't even argue against my characterization, responding with "Being a savage is not such a bad thing", validates the fact you're a fukking white racist. You dare to

No, I just said that being savage is not such a bad thing. You think that's a lower form of human or whatever, so you're saying I'm calling you a subhuman. I'm not. There are upsides and downsides with being more savage or more tempered, but that's not part of this conversation. I see savageness in all races too, breh. You put the words in my mouth, and I agreed. I also didn't deny that white people are just as savage at times.
dehumanize blacks by calling us savages.

Blacks have every right to isolate their culture. It's in their best interest. Why do black Americans have to make their culture "public domain", at their own detriment? Nah. Is every culture "public domain"? No. Polish culture isn't. Japanese culture isn't. Cacs don't have a problem with it. Cacs have a problem with nikkas. The membership needs to stay isolationist. Anyone who doesn't like it

That's where you're wrong. Being isolationist is not in the best interests of black culture. All who do not adapt to the changing circumstances will be victims of their choices. By being isolationist, you're not adapting. That's a fact, Jack.

At your mention of Polish or Japanese culture being not in the public domain. It certainly is. No one cares if somebody wants to talk about Polish or Japanese issues, or wants to listen to their music, or wants to try out other elements of their lifestyle.

 

[cinna_man]

You can have a temper tantrum for the next 100 to 200 years about this racial history, but nothing will change because of it.

As I just said in another thread

Poverty in the black culture (fukk this inner city lingo) is NOT due to the culture of not working, but it can ONLY be solved by a culture of hard working. What else do you expect? Just more government assistance? Maybe reparations (which I'm not against, but I don't see it being very likely, and I certainly wouldn't EXPECT it to happen)? Maybe a return to Africa? An act of God?

Nope, you just have to take responsibility for things that weren't your fault and fix them. This is a factual judgment. There's no moral judgment in that statement of what you should do, because who the fukk cares about hypotheticals.

As much as it hurts, you have to take responsibility for your future. You have to adapt to the new circumstances of the world, which includes being accepting of other cultures, sharing ideas with them, and communicating. If you do not, you will not succeed. It's that simple.

 

[godkiller]

Ok, I'll repeat myself again. Only a few white groups in Europe are responsible for civilization, and the farther you go back, you find they themselves weren't the originators of the civilized idea.

The last time I checked, there were civilizations all over the globe before white groups were anything so whites in and of themselves are not responsible for anythin. I have no obligation to respect cac's interpretation of civilization. Like I said, I would gladly see cacs' vaulted civilization perish into oblivion. For whatever reason you think cacs have earned some sort of moral superiority because cacs have swords, fire and buildings. That means they can kill, torture, enslave whomever they want and it should be forgiven.

It goes back 10,000 years or more. I'm not denying blame that some white people DID buy slaves from Africa and commit atrocities. I'm denying blame to all of the white races over that ordeal. This is why YOU are being racist.

You absolutely denied blame in your first post. You attributed cac's atrocities to a "bug" like cacs have no choice in the matter. They were being controlled like zombies. This was an attempt to deny cac's culpability for their actions and it failed spectcularly. You also never distinguished between "all the white races" in this context so what the fukk are you talking about? Besides I don't hold every cac to the same standard. I am not a racist. Every person I hate is hated for a reason.

Bla bla bla... we all have rights to talk. I have the right to say 'look at all of history', and you have the right to say 'shut the fukk up'. I don't really care. You should just save it.

And you will be replied and then ignored, and told to shut the fukk up.

No, I said America is a civilized nation, and so are all the other civilized nations. America WAS founded by white people, so you could say that those whites were civilized (they were; they lived in a civilization), and you could say all the tribes they killed to make that happen were tribal (they were; they lived in tribes). I'm not going back on that when I show how people of all skin colors still live in tribes around the world.

No, you said exactly what I said you said. It goes as follows:

"You're walking back on what you said, cac. Your basic premise is exactly as I said it. You said Asians and whites were civilized, blacks were not, and that justifies inhumanities and atrocities against blacks. If you had told me this in real life I'd beat you fukking as"

Believe it or not but non-whites rule and found places too. But according to you we are all savages (all except the Asians, who you know are smarter than cacs). It's funny because for all your conjecture, cacs are one of the most savages groups to have ever existed.

My basic premise was that tribal people have trouble adjusting to civilization. It takes hundreds of years. That's a fact, Jack. Cut the bullshyt.

I guess this is what you think your garbled opening post proves. I don't know but this statement is racist in and of itself (as well as everything else racist you said).

That's where you're wrong. Being isolationist is not in the best interests of black culture. All who do not adapt to the changing circumstances will be victims of their choices. By being isolationist, you're not adapting. That's a fact, Jack.

More sophism nonsense. Adaptation sense can mean anything. As far as I can see, this would help blacks, not harm them. If the cacs don't like the idea of black people purchasing products from black businesses, then that's a great sign that is exactly what blacks should do. Who gives a fukk what you think?

 

[godkiller]

You can have a temper tantrum for the next 100 to 200 years about this racial history, but nothing will change because of it.

I don't think my anger at your racism will impede my progress at all. Exoriating wayward bytch cacs and doing well in life are mutually exclusive. You don't know me but I already live a decent life so I know you're retarded.

As I just said in another thread

As much as it hurts, you have to take responsibility for your future. You have to adapt to the new circumstances of the world, which includes being accepting of other cultures, sharing ideas with them, and communicating. If you do not, you will not succeed. It's that simple.

This is nice conjecture but nikkas need only study and work hard to succeed in life. We are already "accepting of other cultures" and we already "share ideas" to an extent. That is not an issue. However we need not share ideas or accept cultures we don't want to entertain or are detrimental to us. Whatever is in the best interest. Cacs like your believe peoples should do what cacs think they should do and it's wrong if they do anything else, which is a notion I don't understand.

 

[cinna_man]

@Roddy Right :
I said:

It goes back 10,000 years or more. I'm not denying blame that some white people DID buy slaves from Africa and commit atrocities. I'm denying blame to all of the white races over that ordeal. This is why YOU are being racist.

You said:

You absolutely denied blame in your first post. You attributed cac's atrocities to a "bug" like cacs have no choice in the matter. They were being controlled like zombies. This was an attempt to deny cac's culpability for their actions and it failed spectcularly. You also never distinguished between "all the white races" in this context so what the fukk are you talking about? Besides I don't hold every cac to the same standard. I am wary of people, I do not hate them. Your final statement is just the logical conclusion of your arguing against your own strawman.

Ok, maybe the symbolism of a bug was lost on you. I'm referring specifically to a meme, which is like a social form of a gene. If a society was thought of as alive, it's genes would be called memes. In any case, I did not deny blame to the people who committed the atrocities. I denied blame to all of the white races as a whole because they were not all part of that. They did not all get together and agree to that. You are the one drawing racial lines which, once again, makes you the racist.

And you will be replied and then ignored, and told to shut the fukk up.

And you will be laughed at. See how circular this is?

No, you said exactly what I said you said. It goes as follows:

"You're walking back on what you said, cac. Your basic premise is exactly as I said it. You said Asians and whites were civilized, blacks were not, and that justifies inhumanities and atrocities against blacks. If you had told me this in real life I'd beat you fukking as"

America is civilized. England is civilized. China is civilized. Japan is civilized. These are all civilizations. The main ethnic groups that founded these nations have mostly what you could consider to be 'civilized values' because they live in a civilization. Civilized does not mean good or bad. It means adapted to their form of social organization.

Furthermore, most white people and Asian (because the largest Asian populations in America are Chinese, Japanese, or Indian I believe) people in America have more civilized values. They came from cultures that have lived in civilizations for, at minimum, 1000 years but maybe much longer.

Black people that live in America, on the other hand, lived in tribes at most 500 years ago. I have a friend that actually grew up in a tribal village in Africa and moved to America, so for him, it's only 40 years or so. These people, because of their more recent organization in tribes and because they have been isolated during their time in America (much of which was not their fault... let's cut the number to forced isolation ending only 50 years ago in some places, and to a certain extent, 0 years because it still happens to a lesser degree in some places) have retained some of their tribal values, which are beneficial to tribal situations but less beneficial or even detrimental to civilized situations.

I'm not saying any particular moral values, tribal or civilized, justify anything that happens to anyone. I'm saying that these values must change. This is not a moral judgment. It is a factual judgement.

Believe it or not but non-whites rule and found places too. But according to you we are all savages (all except the Asians, who you know are smarter than cacs). It's funny because for all your conjecture, cacs are one of the most savages groups to have ever existed.

I have never denied some white people being savages. Being savage does not equal having tribal or civilized values. Being savage is just being savage.

 

[cinna_man]

This is nice conjecture but nikkas need only study and work hard to succeed in life. We are already "accepting of other cultures" and we already "share ideas" to an extent. That is not an issue. However we need not share ideas or accept cultures we don't want to entertain or are detrimental to us. Whatever is in the best interest. Cacs like your believe peoples should do what cacs think they should do, which is a notion I don't understand.

You've demonstrated quite well that you're having a hard time being accepting of other cultures (namely me).

At this point, you're just trolling me. Either offer something new to the discussion, or don't bother replying because I'm done with this circular discussion. Reread it all if you still don't understand where I'm coming from.

 

[cinna_man]

I don't think my anger at your racism will impede my progress at all. Exoriating wayward bytch cacs and doing well in life are mutually exclusive. You don't know me but I already live a decent life so I know you're retarded.

Congrats, you made it, but I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about the entire population.

You can be successful and racist at the same time in this society. But being racist is only non-detrimental to your success if your race is the main race in the population. It's not fair or anything. It's just a fact, Jack.

This racist detriment did not affect your success apparently, but it affect many in the population as a whole.

 

[Amulet of Immortality]

China man is wiping the floor with you weaklings in this thread

 

[cinna_man]

China man is wiping the floor with you weaklings in this thread

Am I China man?

 

[cinna_man]

Actually, this whole argument that assimilation is beneficial for both parties can be applied worldwide right now. Russia doesn't want to assimilate with the West to a certain extent. Turkey is assimilating somewhat, but I just read their prime minister is going to shut down Twitter because it said some bad things about him or his comrades. So there are two national examples of even WHITE

people that don't want to assimilate with the dominant culture, aka the one that is progressing.

Does the world "need" to assimilate? Do any racial groups, like black people in America, "need" to assimilate? Not necessarily. The dominant culture will continue dominating and progressing. Those who don't adapt will simply be left behind. It's up to individuals to decide whether they "need" to succeed or whether they "need" to be left behind.

I personally see a unified world as a positive thing. And despite struggles, I see us moving slowly to that point.

 

[MostReal]

I actually tried not to neg you but this post just took you over the edge

Being a savage is not such a bad thing. I'm not advocating everyone fall in line like a sheep to the powers that be. I'm on a hip hop board. Do you REALLY think I don't like black culture? Do you REALLY think I'm de-humanizing blacks by saying that the culture needs to not be so isolationist, in other words, it needs to make it's culture part of the public domain? See, what you're trying to do is privatize membership into this club. I've already accepted some of your values by coming your direction... you're the one who refuses to come my direction as well.

I mean, how disrespectful can one be? How can Black people giving up the only thing that identifies them (our culture) benefit us? making it Public Domain...are you serious?

when have Black folks as a whole ever benefitted in this country by allowing our culture to be taken and run with? It serves us no purpose. is this guy really this dumb?

The lack of tact & just looking down your nose at black people in your posting is like unreal. I can laugh at the typical racist crap...but this what you're doing is just sad. Real sad...its very insulting