Something I never understood. Can a Haitian breh speak on this? 
Haiti won the war against the Cacuettes. Why did they agree to be indebted to them?
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Secure Da Bag
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They couldn't afford another war. Especially one with a much larger fleet and Haiti had no backing.
They agreed to pay the white French man money for displacing his slave owners. They didn't want to fight anymore.
To pay They had to take out a loan from a French bank.
Obviously the interest was more then they could pay with their limited trade options so here we are today.
To pay They had to take out a loan from a French bank.
Obviously the interest was more then they could pay with their limited trade options so here we are today.
Bleed The Freak
Superstar
France threatened to blow the entire island up 20 years after getting their asses kicked.
Then the US raided their Treasury to create Citibank (then known as Bank of NY) in the 1900's when they occupied Haiti. Setting them back Centuries. Like 80% of its budget for 200 years went to payback stifling them economically.
No trade partners, paying back slave owners and their treasury raided.
It's the most tragic case of freedom that's ever happened
Then the US raided their Treasury to create Citibank (then known as Bank of NY) in the 1900's when they occupied Haiti. Setting them back Centuries. Like 80% of its budget for 200 years went to payback stifling them economically.
No trade partners, paying back slave owners and their treasury raided.
It's the most tragic case of freedom that's ever happened
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Secure Da Bag
Veteran
When Haiti began its revolution it was just before the French Revolution started. When Haiti won the war, the Napoleonic wars had just started.
France forces Haiti to pay blackmail after the Napoleonic wars are over and therefore can bring the full weight of its military to bear on Haiti.
At this time, both France and the US had an economic embargo on Haiti. So Haiti couldn't pay for another war or resources needed, didn't have the soldiers either, and couldn't deal with a concentrated, larger force.
Haiti was fukked over and blackmailed to pay for their freedom.
France forces Haiti to pay blackmail after the Napoleonic wars are over and therefore can bring the full weight of its military to bear on Haiti.
At this time, both France and the US had an economic embargo on Haiti. So Haiti couldn't pay for another war or resources needed, didn't have the soldiers either, and couldn't deal with a concentrated, larger force.
Haiti was fukked over and blackmailed to pay for their freedom.
It was a shytty deal President Boyer had to take. He just unified Haiti and gained control of the entire island at the time. With no allies, not paying would have probably been the end of Haiti.
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GoPinheiro
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Something I never understood. Can a Haitian breh speak on this?
Not Haitian but, I believe there are 2 main reasons for it... 1st comes from the fact that the independence movements in the Americas were a scam. 2nd, France was embarrassed by being defeated but also knew they were still stronger, wealthier and had more allies than Haiti.
Haitians were economically isolated and suffocated. At the time, they didn't have much contact with the free states in Africa. I mean, communications and transportation was not like it is now. So they thought that, by helping other people in Central and South America, they would also be helped in return. However, they forgot that the people in Central and South America, fighting for independence, were just whites. These whites, wanted independence from their European brothers, but they didn't abandon their core racial ideas. The majority of independence wars in the Americas were whites from Europe fighting against whites born in the new world, to decide which group will control the conquered states in the new world. That's it.
So, no major state in the new world wanted to really support them because most were still being ruled by whites and slavery of Afro-descendants and Amerindians was still super common. In North America, chattel slavery was still happening and the region was being ruled by whites, who were scared that Haiti's development could also force a revolution and secession from enslaved people. In Central and South America, the ruling class was white, called Criollo, fearing the same from Afro-descendants and Amerindians. The rest of the Caribbean wasn't that relevant politically or militarily, and were also being ruled by whites with the same racial ideas as the rest. Like, there was no one to help them there. I mean, Cuba, one of the most militant countries of modern times only gained independence in 1898, 94 years after Haiti.
Seeing all of this and being in France's position, aren't you going to try and flex your muscles(extort a smaller state)?
Seeing all of this and being in Haiti's position, do you just keep fighting?
I mean, the 1st country to establish official diplomatic relations with Haiti was France, and in 1838. Haiti helped Bolivar achieve Venezuela's independence in 1811 but Venezuela only established official diplomatic relations with Haiti in 1864, more than 50 years after they gained independence and more than 30 years after Bolivar's death.
Foreign relations of Haiti - Wikipedia
It's funny, that even isolated, they still didn't starve. The country's agricultural sector was very productive.
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it makes 1804 essentially worthless
If they had gone to war it wasn't just gonna be france that time. It would've potentially been The U.S,England, and Spain as well.
GoPinheiro
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Worthless? They fought and carved their own state in a new and completely different region from their indigenous lands. They, as a group, weren't even supposed to exist now, since France was just importing slaves, working them to death, and then replacing them with more, to follow the same process. Haiti was basically a huge cemetery for enslaved people in the new world. A place where people would go to die from extreme work and poor conditions. The only reason they still exist is because of their revolution. Plus, even after paying France they were still able to stabilize themselves.
Some of you are so shortsighted. You only see things based on now, and that's why you are easy to impress and manipulate.
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Haiti is at the bottom of the bottom it is what it is manWorthless? They fought and carved their own state in a new and completely different region from their indigenous lands. They, as a group, weren't even supposed to exist now, since France was just importing slaves, working them to death, and then replacing them with more, to follow the same process. The only reason they still exist is because of their revolution. Plus, even after paying France they were still able to stabilize themselves.
Some of you are so shortsighted. You only see things based on now, and that's why you are easy to impress and manipulate.
Clapsteel O'Neal
put a red dot on your head like a hindu
You are fuccin high. Fighting for your freedom and winning is never worthless.
Regardless of where the country is now what they managed to achieve something that has never happened before nor since in history. They defeated their oppressors. The Haitian revolution is the only case of that happening in history. Fact. Period. People don't appreciate how much of a gigantic achievement that was. Haitians will always get my respect for that. Not that it means anything.
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