Gunman in New Zealand opens fire inside mosque, video inside *NSFL*

[Professor Emeritus]

And the one dude who rushed him almost took him out. Only chance they had in that situation was if they rushed his ass

Yep - single unarmed guys have taken out shooters multiple times before, and that one almost got to him. If it was 2-3 guys rushing at once he wouldn't have had a chance.

Everyone on here should be ready to rush in that situation. You have to prime yourself to do it long before the event happens so when it does happen, there won't be a second thought.

James Shaw ya'all.








And he's not the only one.

The hero of the South Carolina school shooting was unarmed

Americans overpower gunman on Paris express train

Heroes of Tuscon shooting: "Something had to be done"

Law students tackled gunman, held him down until police arrived

Hero teacher tackled Colorado gunman

Student who tackled shooter at Oregon school hailed as hero

Gunman tackled after killing 3 at town meeting

Two men injured while disarming gunman

Church members wrestle gun away from shooter

School counselor who tackled gunman speaks out

Workers hailed for halting school shooting at Kelly Elementary

Gunman shot and killed two people and wounded another before workers wrestled him to the ground

Teacher wrestles gun from shooting suspect

Worker restrains colleague who shot four people

School board meeting onlookers thwart attack

Another shooter stopped by unarmed citizens

Teacher credited with disarming student during school shooting

Hero doctor takes bullet while disarming gunman

Hero teacher tackles gunman to stop school shooting

Student shown pepper-spraying and tackling gunman during school shooting

Cowboy hat-wearing hero tackles gunman in Mexican supermarket

Hero teacher ran at gunman, tackled him to the ground

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Where have they proven that torture aren't effective deterrent? And most lifer eventually accept and adapt to their new day to day reality.

What lifers adapt to has nothing to do with deterrence. And a lot of lifers don't adjust - mental illness is rampant in prisons, and the SuperMax prisons where the worst offenders go are the biggest breeding grounds for it. You spend 23 hours/day in solitary and you ain't likely to adjust, you're more likely to become a shell of a human being.

The issue with ultra-harsh punishments is that the vast majority of people who commit heinous crimes fall into one of four categories:

1. They don't think they'll get caught
2. They refuse to think about getting caught
3. They don't care if they get caught because they've given up on life
4. They are mentally ill

The reasons are obvious - mentally healthy, rational people who think about the future logically and carefully consider the consequences of being caught....don't commit heinous crimes.

That's why longer prison sentences don't have a meaningful deterrent effect. That's why the death penalty hasn't been an effective deterrent. And that's why torture wouldn't work any better.


Why increasing punishments in general are ineffective or even counterproductive in reducing crime

The failure of crime rates to decline commensurately with increases in the rate and severity of punishment reveals a paradox of punishment: recent experiments have shown that among persons of color, especially those who are poor or reside in poor neighborhoods, harsher punishment has produced iatrogenic or counterdeterrent effects.

This paper focuses on torture for interrogation, not deterrance, but the issues are the same: it decreases the perceived legitimacy of the state while normalizing violence and thus becomes copied by other actors.

At a very high cost, the US case confirms that torture does not work by any measure. No modern regime or society is more secure as a result of torture. Its use spreads, its harms multiply, and its corrosive consequences boost rather than diminish the threat of terrorism.

 

[Killalex]

What lifers adapt to has nothing to do with deterrence. And a lot of lifers don't adjust - mental illness is rampant in prisons, and the SuperMax prisons where the worst offenders go are the biggest breeding grounds for it. You spend 23 hours/day in solitary and you ain't likely to adjust, you're more likely to become a shell of a human being.

The issue with ultra-harsh punishments is that the vast majority of people who commit heinous crimes fall into one of four categories:

1. They don't think they'll get caught
2. They refuse to think about getting caught
3. They don't care if they get caught because they've given up on life
4. They are mentally ill

The reasons are obvious - mentally healthy, rational people who think about the future logically and carefully consider the consequences of being caught....don't commit heinous crimes.

That's why longer prison sentences don't have a meaningful deterrent effect. That's why the death penalty hasn't been an effective deterrent. And that's why torture wouldn't work any better.


Why increasing punishments in general are ineffective or even counterproductive in reducing crime



This paper focuses on torture for interrogation, not deterrance, but the issues are the same: it decreases the perceived legitimacy of the state while normalizing violence and thus becomes copied by other actors.

100% facts.

 

[AyBrehHam Linkin]

sad video damn


cacs are fukkin crazy. rip to those people smh

 

[Stir Fry]

Western tabloids condemned for 'humanising' NZ mosque attacker

 

[You Win Perfect]

Wouldn’t be surprised if there are sleeper cells on this site; judging by the comments. White supremacists are a serious global threat to all non-whites. Time to get serious, it’s been time.

 

[WaveGang]

What gun was it

 

[8WON6]

so this australian senator was blaming the muslim people for getting shot and some kid egged him.

 

[Mowgli]

I watched the video...can understand people choosing not to, but I did just to see how people reacted.

A few notes:

1. I don't know if it was respect for the mosque or what, but mad people seemed to avoid trying to use the window to escape

For those of you not watching the video, the mosque was set up like a giant open space at the end of a hallway with two sides. So, like a T if the top of the T is a giant rectangle.

The shooter starts popping off in a hallway, and by the time he gets to the giant open space, everyone is huddled in the four corners of the room next to windows. Most of the video is him methodically shooting into the mass huddles of people. At some point, he goes back to his vehicle to grab another gun, comes back, and starts again...literally shooting people in the huddle in the head. He even says "I didn't even have to aim" to the live stream at some point.

My takeaways: Playing dead is a last resort in these situations...shooters are doubling back to kill people who do this (not just in this shooting, but in other shootings as well - this happened at the Bataclan too).

Also, if I'm in a space with no exit like that, and i hear gunfire / screams, I hope I have the presence of mind (no disrespect to the dead, this is in all seriousness) to recognize the less natural exit (in this case, the window) and take advantage of it out of an abundance of caution.

2. The killer genuinely did not have an ounce of empathy for his victims. His breathing was slightly elevated but that was it. He livestreamed this. I was wondering why they are trying to erase the video from the internet, and after watching, I get it. It's truly terrifying in part because the guy sounds so "normal". I truly fear copycats as a result of this - I don't think there's been anything like it.

All this to stay - stay safe out here. I hope this doesn't become even more common than it has recently, but all signs point to it. Mind your exits in public spaces. Don't sit with your back to doors and don't be afraid to dip the fukk out if something doesn't look, feel, or sound right. If you're in a place where you're allowed to carry - carry. shyt's about to get real.

Sheeeeeit.

Don't be shy to have heat is my takeaway.

Compact 45s and .38 specials for everyone.

Return fire down that hallway. Buddy woulda been back in his car headed for a happy meal with satan

Enough waiting around like a damn gazel in the wilderness.

When the first nerd tries to set off a go pro massacre and gets popped immediately on his own stream by that CC, these lames gonna understand The Shift

Humanity will play victim while we adapt to unseen phenom but once adaptation has occured... Shooters are cancelled.

 

[Goat poster]

What lifers adapt to has nothing to do with deterrence. And a lot of lifers don't adjust - mental illness is rampant in prisons, and the SuperMax prisons where the worst offenders go are the biggest breeding grounds for it. You spend 23 hours/day in solitary and you ain't likely to adjust, you're more likely to become a shell of a human being.

The issue with ultra-harsh punishments is that the vast majority of people who commit heinous crimes fall into one of four categories:

1. They don't think they'll get caught
2. They refuse to think about getting caught
3. They don't care if they get caught because they've given up on life
4. They are mentally ill

The reasons are obvious - mentally healthy, rational people who think about the future logically and carefully consider the consequences of being caught....don't commit heinous crimes.

That's why longer prison sentences don't have a meaningful deterrent effect. That's why the death penalty hasn't been an effective deterrent. And that's why torture wouldn't work any better.


Why increasing punishments in general are ineffective or even counterproductive in reducing crime



This paper focuses on torture for interrogation, not deterrance, but the issues are the same: it decreases the perceived legitimacy of the state while normalizing violence and thus becomes copied by other actors.

I personally don’t care about rehabilitation or Deterrence.

When it comes to Henious crimes like this where innocent people are slaughtered then he deserves to die a slow torturous death


The fact that he took so many lives and will probably end up living a relatively peaceful protected life Is wrong in my opinion.

His family will still be able to visit and communicate with him, the families of his victims will never have that opportunity.

Vengeance and extreme punishment is warranted in an open and shut case like this imo.

 

[Dr. Acula]

Western tabloids condemned for 'humanising' NZ mosque attacker

Yeah the headlines I've seen on the daily mirror and daily mail are fukking disgusting. Sorry, I'm not a fukk all cacs person (I don't have that much hate in my heart for anyone) but in general cac countries and cac media are disgusting when it comes to their own monsters.

 

[Dr. Acula]

How a "blonde little boy turned into a far right mass killer...", as if being blonde is somehow the opposite of being evil.
I guess if a dark little boy turned mass killer it's just to be expected.

I think they knew what they were doing with that headline -- trolling hard...

White people have an odd fascination with blond hair. Like simply your hair color make your character better and makes you more attractive. White dudes for example from my experience think white women are automatically attractive if she has blond hair even if her face looks like a foot and her body looks like traddash. They also tend to apply innocence to children and people who have it.

This dude is a fukking demon and these headlines are trying to humanize this fukk. If this was a black dude from Chicago who shot just one person the only picture you'll see is his mugshot.

 

[klientel]

Sheeeeeit.

Don't be shy to have heat is my takeaway.

Compact 45s and .38 specials for everyone.

Return fire down that hallway. Buddy woulda been back in his car headed for a happy meal with satan

Enough waiting around like a damn gazel in the wilderness.

When the first nerd tries to set off a go pro massacre and gets popped immediately on his own stream by that CC, these lames gonna understand The Shift

Humanity will play victim while we adapt to unseen phenom but once adaptation has occured... Shooters are cancelled.

I feel you but this is a mosque, Muslims are not bringing guns into a mosque....its not that type of party.

 

[Loken]

chick i know that lives in New Zealand was telling me how they not saying it on the news but they had them on lock down like roadblocks an everything an she on the north part of the island that shyt happened in the south island had some bomb threats as well but she lives down the street from the largest mosque in Auckland so cops was heavy helicopters to

 

[Creflo ½ Dollar]

Did she lie?

Yea...most of them bombings and shyt they brought that shyt on themselves...