i saw him play plenty of times....notably in a chicago rush uniformYou obviously never seen dude play. Dude was the prototype for Snyders O which basically birth the spread. Dude had an arm and crazy athleticism. I was stationed at Riley when they beat Nebraska and that dude couldn't swat the PAWGs off him in Aggieville that nite. My nikka David Allen was on that squad as well and Aaron Lockett. Good time in manhattan back in those days