Got my Maternal Haplogroup back

Samori Toure

Veteran
Supporter
Joined
Apr 23, 2015
Messages
20,282
Reputation
6,285
Daps
100,872
Where did you get this info from? Did you upload one of your DNA test to a site to get it? And why isn't there any african countries up there?:skip:

She probably got that off of 23andme or FamilytreeDNA. IMO 23andme does not account for your African Ancestry very well, which makes sense to me because they are really into medical research.

The weirdest part is that I have taken almost all of those tests except African Ancestry, but I plan on taking them shortly. I more or less got the same results from AncestryDNA; FamilyTreeDNA and National Geographic. Even Gedmatch got all of the groups and percentages pretty accurately. They all surprised me, because they all picked up on components of DNA that I didn't even know I had and they nailed the components that I did know that I had.

IMO, 23andme was the worst from the standpoint of ancestry but they do a great jump on the medical stuff. I assume that 23andme might have some different labeling than the other companies, but hopefully they will get much much better with the ancestry stuff once they get more African samples. Even when they get better they still have to catch Ancestry.com, because they are on another level with this stuff.
 

Samori Toure

Veteran
Supporter
Joined
Apr 23, 2015
Messages
20,282
Reputation
6,285
Daps
100,872
L2d is rare as hell because I cant find anything about it on google. And what is confusing about EL485?

Some more info from my results
Branch: L2d
Age: About 12,000 Years Ago
Location of Origin: Central Africa


From Central Africa, this lineage has spread in low frequencies to the north and south. It is present as far east as the Arabian Peninsula.




For my Paternal info I have the following:



Photograph by Pascal Maitre, National Geographic

Branch: M2
Age: 20,000 – 30,000 Years Ago
Location of Origin: West Africa


The first man from this line was born when most of West Africa was fertile and hospitable. In time, the drying of the Sahara forced groups of his descendants to migrate south into sub-Saharan Africa. Then with the Bantu expansions, these same populations moved once more into Central Africa, East Africa, and southern Africa.

Point of Interest
Due to its high frequency in Western Africa, this branch accounts for most of today's African-Americans who came to the Americas as part of the transatlantic slave trade.


:dead:

Those lines go everywhere.
 

Black Haven

We will find another road to glory!!!
Joined
Nov 18, 2016
Messages
3,174
Reputation
944
Daps
13,339
She probably got that off of 23andme or FamilytreeDNA. IMO 23andme does not account for your African Ancestry very well, which makes sense to me because they are really into medical research.

The weirdest part is that I have taken almost all of those tests except African Ancestry, but I plan on taking them shortly. I more or less got the same results from AncestryDNA; FamilyTreeDNA and National Geographic. Even Gedmatch got all of the groups and percentages pretty accurately. They all surprised me, because they all picked up on components of DNA that I didn't even know I had and they nailed the components that I did know that I had.

IMO, 23andme was the worst from the standpoint of ancestry but they do a great jump on the medical stuff. I assume that 23andme might have some different labeling than the other companies, but hopefully they will get much much better with the ancestry stuff once they get more African samples. Even when they get better they still have to catch Ancestry.com, because they are on another level with this stuff.
Well from my understanding people overall tell me that 23 and me is the best all around DNA test system with ancestry being second. I think it's just a matter of what works best for you as a individual.
 

Apollo Creed

Look at your face
Supporter
Joined
Feb 20, 2014
Messages
56,215
Reputation
13,478
Daps
211,476
Reppin
Handsome Boyz Ent
:dead:

Those lines go everywhere.

I'm wondering if my Lack of admixture is the case. All my DNA comes from the Mande Ethnic groups various tribes so I'm not sure if this is just recording on early DNA that other people have traces of or these results are just vague lol.

For example I notice my Paternal sides splits in Egypt and I know our tribe folklore says we "come from the east" which ties into the "hebrews" (or the people who the stories are about more so) being black stuff if that is your thing. They said my grandfather had a migration Map showing that our tribe came from the "east" but it was lost during the war. Also we aren't the other Mande tribe that state we are the people the bible is talking about which makes it interesting especially since of course in the West you have the whole Black hebrew israelite movements.
I've found some docs about my tribe and the israelite stuff but it is all in french
 

Samori Toure

Veteran
Supporter
Joined
Apr 23, 2015
Messages
20,282
Reputation
6,285
Daps
100,872
Well from my understanding people overall tell me that 23 and me is the best all around DNA test system with ancestry being second. I think it's just a matter of what works best for you as a individual.

Yeah to each his or her reach. My thoughts is that they were the worst that I took in regards to getting ancestry results. Now their medical stuff is outstanding.
 

Samori Toure

Veteran
Supporter
Joined
Apr 23, 2015
Messages
20,282
Reputation
6,285
Daps
100,872
I'm wondering if my Lack of admixture is the case. All my DNA comes from the Mande Ethnic groups various tribes so I'm not sure if this is just recording on early DNA that other people have traces of or these results are just vague lol.

For example I notice my Paternal sides splits in Egypt and I know our tribe folklore says we "come from the east" which ties into the "hebrews" (or the people who the stories are about more so) being black stuff if that is your thing. They said my grandfather had a migration Map showing that our tribe came from the "east" but it was lost during the war. Also we aren't the other Mande tribe that state we are the people the bible is talking about which makes it interesting especially since of course in the West you have the whole Black hebrew israelite movements.
I've found some docs about my tribe and the israelite stuff but it is all in french


Yeah your paternal line is part of E1b1a crowd. They all left from around Egypt and Sudan. Some went West and others went South. The ones that went South are the Bantu people. Here is kind of the overview.

E1b1a1a1f[edit]
E1b1a1a1f is defined by L485. The basal node E-L485* appears to be somewhat uncommon but has not been sufficiently tested in large populations. The ancestral L485 SNP (along with several of its subclades) was very recently discovered. Some of these SNPs have little or no published population data and/or have yet to receive nomenclature recognition by the YCC.

  • E1b1a1a1f1 is defined by marker L514. This SNP is currently without population study data outside of the 1000 Genomes Project.
  • E1b1a1a1f1a (YCC E1b1a7) is defined by marker M191/P86. Filippo et al. (2011) studied a number of African populations that were E-M2 positive and found the basal E-M191/P86 (without E-P252/U174) in a population of Gur speakers in Burkina Faso.[44] Montano et al. (2011) found similar sparse distribution of E-M191* in Nigeria, Gabon, Cameroon and Congo.[6] M191/P86 positive samples occurred in tested populations of Annang (38.3%), Ibibio (45.6%), Efik (45%), and Igbo (54.3%) living in Nigeria, West Africa.[45] E-M191/P86 appears in varying frequencies in Central and Southern Africa but almost all are also positive for P252/U174. Bantu-speaking South Africans (89/343) tested 25.9% positive and Khoe-San speaking South Africans tested 7.7% (14/183) positive for this SNP.[46] It also appears commonly in Africans living in the Americas. A population in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil tested 9.2% (12/130) positive.[43]34.9% (29/83) of American Haplogroup E men tested positive for M191.[36]
Veeramah et al. (2010) studies of the recombining portions of M191 positive Y chromosomes suggest that this lineage has "diffusely spread with multiple high frequency haplotypes implying a longer evolutionary period since this haplogroup arose".[45] The subclade E1b1a1a1f1a appears to express opposite clinal distributions to E1b1a1* in the West African Savanna region. Haplogroup E1b1a1a1f1a (E-M191) has a frequency of 23% in Cameroon (where it represents 42% of haplotypes carrying the DYS271 mutation or E-M2), 13% in Burkina Faso (16% of haplotypes carrying the M2/DYS271 mutation) and only 1% in Senegal.[12] Similarly, while E1b1a reaches its highest frequency of 81% in Senegal, only 1 of the 139 Senegalese that were tested showed M191/P86.[12] In other words, as one moves to West Africa from western Central Africa, the less subclade E1b1a1f is found. "A possible explanation might be that haplotype 24 chromosomes [E-M2*] were already present across the Sudanese belt when the M191 mutation, which defines haplotype 22, arose in central western Africa. Only then would a later demic expansion have brought haplotype 22 chromosomes from central western to western Africa, giving rise to the opposite clinal distributions of haplotypes 22 and 24."[10]
  • E1b1a1a1f1a1 (YCC E1b1a7a) is defined by P252/U174. It appears to be the most common subclade of E-L485. It is believed to have originated near western Central Africa. It is rarely found in the most western portions of West Africa. Montano et al. (2011) found this subclade very prevalent in Nigeria and Gabon.[6]Filippo et al. (2011) estimated a tMRCA of ~4.2 kya from sample of Yoruba population positive for the SNP.[44]
  • E1b1a1a1f1a1b (YCC E1b1a7a2) is defined by P115. This subclade has only been observed amongst Fang people of Central Africa.[6]
  • E1b1a1a1f1a1c (YCC E1b1a7a3) is defined by P116. Montano et al. (2011) observed this SNP only in Gabon and a Bassa population from Cameroon.[6]
  • E1b1a1a1f1a1d is defined by Z1704. This subclade has been observed across Africa. The 1000 Genomes Project Consortium found this SNP in Yoruba Nigerian, three Kenyan Luhyas and one African descent Puerto Rican.[47]
  • E1b1a1a1f1b is defined by markers L515, L516, L517, and M263.2. This subclade was found by the researchers of Y-Chromosome Genome Comparison Project using data from the commercial bioinformatics company 23andme.[48]
 

Black Haven

We will find another road to glory!!!
Joined
Nov 18, 2016
Messages
3,174
Reputation
944
Daps
13,339
Well my haplogroups for 23andme just came back and here they are starting with my maternal side L3f1b:


You descend from a long line of women that can be traced back to eastern Africa over 150,000 years ago. These are the women of your maternal line, and your maternal haplogroup sheds light on their story.

maternal_haplogroup_icon.9e6bf203b836.svg

your maternal haplogroup is L3f1b.
As our ancestors ventured out of eastern Africa, they branched off in diverse groups that crossed and recrossed the globe over tens of thousands of years. Some of their migrations can be traced through haplogroups, families of lineages that descend from a common ancestor. Your maternal haplogroup can reveal the path followed by the women of your maternal line.

Migrations of Your Maternal Line

Haplogroup L
180,000 Years Ago
If every person living today could trace his or her maternal line back over thousands of generations, all of our lines would meet at a single woman who lived in eastern Africa between 150,000 and 200,000 years ago. Though she was one of perhaps thousands of women alive at the time, only the diverse branches of her haplogroup have survived to today. The story of your maternal line begins with her.


Haplogroup L3
65,000 Years Ago
Your branch of L is haplogroup L3, which arose from a woman who likely lived in eastern Africa between 60,000 and 70,000 years ago. While many of her descendants remained in Africa, one small group ventured east across the Red Sea, likely across the narrow Bab-el-Mandeb into the tip of the Arabian Peninsula.


L3f
46,000
Years Ago
Origin and Migrations of Haplogroup L3f
Your maternal line stems from a branch of L3 called L3f. Haplogroup L3f is an old offshoot that traces back to a woman who likely lived nearly 46,000 years ago. Members of L3f live in a wide distribution across the Sahel belt of Africa, a dry savanna region on the southern fringe of the Sahara Desert, as well as in the northern regions of the Central African rainforest.

Between 20,000 and 30,000 years ago, L3f gave rise to two daughter haplogroups, L3f1 and L3f2. L3f1 appears to have arisen in eastern Africa and moved westward before the peak of the Ice Age about 20,000 years ago, when the Sahara Desert expanded and rendered much of the northern part of the continent uninhabitable. Today the haplogroup is commonly found among the Yoruba and Fulbe populations of western Africa, and in African-Americans who are descended from them. Haplogroup L3f2 originated in the Chad Basin of northern-central Africa, where it has been largely confined since then. It has not been detected in African-American populations, an indication that the Atlantic slave trade did not reach as far inland as present-day Chad and Niger.
And my paternal side R-L48 :


You descend from a long line of men that can be traced back to eastern Africa over 275,000 years ago. These are the men of your paternal line, and your paternal haplogroup sheds light on their story.

paternal_haplogroup_icon.4735716f1c66.svg

your paternal haplogroup is R-L48.
As our ancestors ventured out of eastern Africa, they branched off in diverse groups that crossed and recrossed the globe over tens of thousands of years. Some of their migrations can be traced through haplogroups, families of lineages that descend from a common ancestor. Your paternal haplogroup can reveal the path followed by the men of your paternal line.

Migrations of Your Paternal Line

Haplogroup A
275,000 Years Ago
The stories of all of our paternal lines can be traced back over 275,000 years to just one man: the common ancestor of haplogroup A. Current evidence suggests he was one of thousands of men who lived in eastern Africa at the time. However, while his male-line descendants passed down their Y chromosomes generation after generation, the lineages from the other men died out. Over time his lineage alone gave rise to all other haplogroups that exist today.


Haplogroup F-M89
76,000 Years Ago
For more than 100,000 years, your paternal-line ancestors gradually moved north, following available prey and resources as a shifting climate made new routes hospitable and sealed off others. Then, around 60,000 years ago, a small group ventured across the Red Sea and deeper into southwest Asia. Your ancestors were among these men, and the next step in their story is marked by the rise of haplogroup F-M89 in the Arabian Peninsula.


Haplogroup K-M9
53,000 Years Ago
Passing through the Middle East, your paternal-line ancestors continued on to the steppes of Central Asia, vast grasslands stretching all the way from central Europe to the eastern edge of Asia. From its origin in the western steppes nearly 50,000 years ago, haplogroup K-M9 spread across most of the globe. In fact, nearly half of all paternal lineages outside of Africa are branches of haplogroup K.


Haplogroup R-M207
35,000 Years Ago
The next step in your story can be to the common ancestor of haplogroup R, a man who likely lived in Central Asia between 30,000 and 35,000 years ago. The Ice Age was still in full swing, and for thousands of years his descendants roamed the vast steppes of the continent, where they hunted huge mammals like the mammoth.


Haplogroup R-M343
27,000 Years Ago
Your ancestral path forked off again between 20,000 and 25,000 years ago in western Asia, at the beginning of the last great peak of the Ice Age. Massive glaciers covered northern Eurasia, but farther south in the Iranian Plateau your ancestors flourished. When the Ice Age finally gave way to our warmer climate nearly 11,500 years ago, a new era of migrations from the Middle East began and eventually carried haplogroup R-M343 across three continents.


R-M269
10,000
Years Ago
Origin and Migrations of Haplogroup R-M269
Your paternal line stems from a branch of R-M343 called R-M269, one of the most prolific paternal lineages across western Eurasia. R-M269 arose roughly 10,000 years ago, as the people of the Fertile Crescent domesticated plants and animals for the first time. Around 8,000 years ago, the first farmers and herders began to push east into Central Asia and north into the Caucasus Mountains. Some of them eventually reached the steppes above the Black and Caspian Seas. There, they lived as pastoral nomads, herding cattle and sheep across the grasslands, while their neighbors to the south developed yet another crucial technology in human history: bronze smelting. As bronze tools and weaponry spread north, a new steppe culture called the Yamnaya was born.

Around 5,000 years ago, perhaps triggered by a cold spell that made it difficult to feed their herds, Yamnaya men spilled east across Siberia and down into Central Asia. To the west, they pushed down into the Balkans and to central Europe, where they sought new pastures for their herds and metal deposits to support burgeoning Bronze Age commerce. Over time, their descendants spread from central Europe to the Atlantic coast, establishing new trade routes and an unprecedented level of cultural contact and exchange in western Europe.



The men from the steppes also outcompeted the local men as they went; their success is demonstrated in the overwhelming dominance of the R-M269 lineage in Europe. Over 80% of men in Ireland and Wales carry the haplogroup, as do over 60% of men along the Atlantic Coast from Spain to France. The frequency of R-M269 gradually decreases to the east, falling to about 30% in Germany, 20% in Poland, and 10-15% in Greece and Turkey. The haplogroup connects all these men to still others in the Iranian Plateau and Central Asia, where between 5 and 10% of men also bear the lineage

Pretty interesting info especially my maternal side indicating a possible Yoruba (or Fulbe which I didn't know were brought to the new world as slaves:ohhh:)ancestor and since Benin/Togo was my highest African percent on ancestry DNA.

Edit: I know the Fulani were also brought to the Americas as slaves, I just simply thought that it was a small percentage.
 
Last edited:

Samori Toure

Veteran
Supporter
Joined
Apr 23, 2015
Messages
20,282
Reputation
6,285
Daps
100,872
Well my haplogroups for 23andme just came back and here they are starting with my maternal side L3f1b:



And my paternal side R-L48 :




Pretty interesting info especially my maternal side indicating a possible Yoruba (or Fulbe which I didn't know were brought to the new world as slaves:ohhh:)ancestor and since Benin/Togo was my highest African percent on ancestry DNA.

:rudy:

What? For real?

There were large number of Fula (Fulani/Fulbe); Mandingos and Jollof people that took turn throwing each out into slavery through a series of wars in the modern day countries of Senegal and Mali (Futa Toro and Futa Jallon). I think that it was those wars that eventually drove the Fulani further East into modern day Nigeria, where of course they ended up collapsing the Hausa and Yoruba kingdoms.

If I am recalling correctly the Fulani were valued as slaves because of their knowledge of cattle. They may have been among the first cowboys.

I seem to recall there being a number of famous Fulani writers like Omar Ibn Said:

Omar_Ibn_Said.jpg


71ARKkdopjL.jpg



Abdul-Rahman Ibrahim bin Sori

ad.jpg


coverpage_pas.jpg



There is also Yarrow Mamout:

Yarrow-Mamout-Freedman




I am going to go out on a limb and say that most African Americans have some Fulani ancestry. My mother's haplogroup is L2C, which is most common among Mandingos, Fulani, Jollof and Balanta people in Senegal, Guinea and Guinea-Bissau. Mandingo and Fulani show in every test that she has taken.
 

Black Haven

We will find another road to glory!!!
Joined
Nov 18, 2016
Messages
3,174
Reputation
944
Daps
13,339
:rudy:

What? For real?

There were large number of Fula (Fulani/Fulbe); Mandingos and Jollof people that took turn throwing each out into slavery through a series of wars in the modern day countries of Senegal and Mali (Futa Toro and Futa Jallon). I think that it was those wars that eventually drove the Fulani further East into modern day Nigeria, where of course they ended up collapsing the Hausa and Yoruba kingdoms.

If I am recalling correctly the Fulani were valued as slaves because of their knowledge of cattle. They may have been among the first cowboys.

I seem to recall there being a number of famous Fulani writers like Omar Ibn Said:

Omar_Ibn_Said.jpg


71ARKkdopjL.jpg



Abdul-Rahman Ibrahim bin Sori

ad.jpg


coverpage_pas.jpg



There is also Yarrow Mamout:

Yarrow-Mamout-Freedman




I am going to go out on a limb and say that most African Americans have some Fulani ancestry. My mother's haplogroup is L2C, which is most common among Mandingos, Fulani, Jollof and Balanta people in Senegal, Guinea and Guinea-Bissau. Mandingo and Fulani show in every test that she has taken.
Damn my bad I worded that wrong :snoop:what I originally meant was I didn't think there were that many brought to the Americas as slaves but with the recent information I'm collecting it seems I was wrong.
 

Samori Toure

Veteran
Supporter
Joined
Apr 23, 2015
Messages
20,282
Reputation
6,285
Daps
100,872
Damn my bad I worded that wrong :snoop:what I originally meant was I didn't think there were that many brought to the Americas as slaves but with the recent information I'm collecting it seems I was wrong.

Oh yeah there were a bunch of them brought to the Americas as slaves; especially to the USA along with the Mandingos and Jollof people.

On a side note there are a bunch of other surprising groups that DNA has revealed in the genes of African Americans. Not all the slaves were from West or Central Africa. The English and Portuguese purchased about roughly 10% of all slaves from the Southeast Africa, including Madagascar.

Some Lemba people were captured. They are Jews from Mozambique, Zimbabwe and Malawi.

7d2149152b35ac820b4c62dac7182467d3ca1343.jpg



Another group captured were the Malagasy and Merina people who are a mix of Bantu and Indonesian people in Madagascar. In some some DNA tests these results are reported as Polynesian or Southeast Asian:

f02115a0b0bdde206a225fb5aaa7de6e.jpg


5446047307_9325fc82db_b.jpg


253-malagasy-girl-portrait-baobab.jpg


tast-all-numbers-estimates.jpg


712.gif


map-africancaptives.jpg


Southeast Africa

Famous African Americans with possible Malagasy roots are:

Mae Jemison

mae_c_jemison_photo_courtesy_nasa_wikimedia_commonsjpg.jpg


and Condelezza Rice

1200px-Condoleezza_Rice_cropped.jpg


and Keenan Ivory Wayans

keenen-ivory-wayans-538232-1-402.jpg
 
Last edited:
Top