GoT and what is rape and what is not: serious discussion

notPsychosiz

I started this gangsta sh-
Joined
Jan 31, 2014
Messages
7,638
Reputation
2,911
Daps
21,911
Reppin
dogbornwolf
If you aren't caught up to episode 506 then spoilers, obviously.

So as of last episode everyone is saying Ramsey raped Sansa.

My question is, how is that rape? Just cause she doesn't like him or want to be with him she completely consented to it every step of the way. She knew where she was going and agreed. Knew she was gonna marry him and agreed. Took the marraige vows. Knew in advance he'd be having sex with her on their wedding night before she even got to the castle at all. She had the oppritunity to dismiss the entire idea and never marry him and return to the Eyrie... but decided to marry him knowing fully well that he'd be having sex with her hours after they were married. Then, hours after they are married and she says I do, he has sex with her and now its rape?

Why? Cause he is a bad person?

She doesn't at any point do anything but willingly go along with the entire thing.
She acknowledges she needs to bathe to prepare. Etc.

Thats one instance.

But then their is Danyrys and Khal Drogo. Again, everyone is yelling "rape!"
But its the same thing all over again. She has a choice to marry this dude, does so understanding he's gonna fukk her, then when he fukks her its rape? Really?

Its not even a messed up situation like she is sold into slavery and abused or something. Then perhaps I could see the arguement.
But no... she intentionally enters this arangement to benifet from the status and power that will be afforded to her as result, same as Sansa. They understood and consented to have sex with the full understanding that the act itself would be the consacration of the marraige. They were not tricked or lied to, and both knew they would be having sex long in advance and agreed. There was no duress.

(Arguably, Sansa married Tyrion under duress... but he never touched her)

Marrying for power and people saying you were raped is like a you working all week then your boss claiming extortion when its time to pay you. Those are the terms of your contract. Marraige is a contract.


I'm not gonna go into Jamie raping Cersi after Joffrey died, cause they are in an incestous relationship and they are having sex next to their dead kid's corpse... so rape or not, thats in the bushes...
 

brick james

John piffington
Joined
May 4, 2012
Messages
1,876
Reputation
170
Daps
4,001
you seem to be operating under the premise that if you agree to marry someone then you cannot be raped... i'm not sure most of america operates under the same assumption
 

notPsychosiz

I started this gangsta sh-
Joined
Jan 31, 2014
Messages
7,638
Reputation
2,911
Daps
21,911
Reppin
dogbornwolf
you seem to be operating under the premise that if you agree to marry someone then you cannot be raped... i'm not sure most of america operates under the same assumption

Not only was she not raped, she went out of her way took great premeditated steps in order to get fukked.
It wasn't even an arranged marraige on her end cause she had a choice in it.
It was only an arranged marraige for Ramsey who had other plans (marrying Miranda) which were brought to a halt.

Just cause he is mean to her and a vicious killer doesnt make it rape.
 

Slystallion

Live to Strive
WOAT
Supporter
Joined
May 4, 2012
Messages
13,106
Reputation
-10,427
Daps
17,422
This day and age your in the wrong the definition is any form of unconsented sex even if she doesn't verbally say no...in the 50s you would have been correct but today it's our job to even read body language

But be honest if you saw a woman crying before penetrating and not showing you any sensuality would you honestly keep going it would ruin my urge to have sex because I know she doesn't want it and that's part of the enjoyment of sex when you know a woman wants you more or as equally than you want them
 

notPsychosiz

I started this gangsta sh-
Joined
Jan 31, 2014
Messages
7,638
Reputation
2,911
Daps
21,911
Reppin
dogbornwolf
This day and age your in the wrong the definition is any form of unconsented sex even if she doesn't verbally say no...in the 50s you would have been correct but today it's our job to even read body language

But be honest if you saw a woman crying before penetrating and not showing you any sensuality would you honestly keep going it would ruin my urge to have sex because I know she doesn't want it and that's part of the enjoyment of sex when you know a woman wants you more or as equally than you want them

But they aren't in today or even the 50s they are in like the middle ages. Medieval times. Even today though, a woman that goes out of her way to marry a powerful man then yells rape when he takes her to the room after the wedding... really?
She willingly facilitated that situation every step of the way.

If she is forced to marry thats different. She didn't consent to the wedding, thereby not consenting to the sex either.
But willingly consenting to the marraige to obtain whatever social status it grants you is consenting to the sex as well. No royal bride is under the dellusion that mairrage does not include immediate sex, and back then it also meant bearing a male heir in most situations. Nobody tricked her... she knew exactly what that was and clicked 'YES' to continue every step of the way cause she wanted something out of it. Prostitution maybe, not rape.
 

brick james

John piffington
Joined
May 4, 2012
Messages
1,876
Reputation
170
Daps
4,001
But they aren't in today or even the 50s they are in like the middle ages. Medieval times. Even today though, a woman that goes out of her way to marry a powerful man then yells rape when he takes her to the room after the wedding... really?
She willingly facilitated that situation every step of the way.

A woman can go out of her way to marry a powerful man, and then refuse to have sex with him from a legal perspective. She can literally lead him on in every way, and refuse to have sex at any moment from a legal perspective. If you ignore this refusal at any moment then it is rape from a legal perspective. Is this concept really hard for you to grasp or something? Critics of the scene are obviously speaking from the context of modern American and western european ideals... I'm not trying to be offensive or assume anything because msot of the arabs I chill with and watch the show with can't understand how it's possible to rape a bytch you're married to because they feel that marriage implies full ownership of the puzzy
 

Amestafuu (Emeritus)

Veteran
Supporter
Joined
May 8, 2012
Messages
70,576
Reputation
13,880
Daps
299,494
Reppin
Toronto
But they aren't in today or even the 50s they are in like the middle ages. Medieval times. Even today though, a woman that goes out of her way to marry a powerful man then yells rape when he takes her to the room after the wedding... really?
She willingly facilitated that situation every step of the way.

If she is forced to marry thats different. She didn't consent to the wedding, thereby not consenting to the sex either.
But willingly consenting to the marraige to obtain whatever social status it grants you is consenting to the sex as well. No royal bride is under the dellusion that mairrage does not include immediate sex, and back then it also meant bearing a male heir in most situations. Nobody tricked her... she knew exactly what that was and clicked 'YES' to continue every step of the way cause she wanted something out of it. Prostitution maybe, not rape.
You clearly are missing the point. Marriage or not. What went down and how is rape. It doesn't mean because they were going to have sex regardless that he couldn't rape her. She did what she did out of fear not consent. She had no choice in that moment.
 
Joined
May 7, 2012
Messages
27,790
Reputation
4,712
Daps
103,458
But they aren't in today or even the 50s they are in like the middle ages. Medieval times. Even today though, a woman that goes out of her way to marry a powerful man then yells rape when he takes her to the room after the wedding... really?
She willingly facilitated that situation every step of the way.

If she is forced to marry thats different. She didn't consent to the wedding, thereby not consenting to the sex either.
But willingly consenting to the marraige to obtain whatever social status it grants you is consenting to the sex as well. No royal bride is under the dellusion that mairrage does not include immediate sex, and back then it also meant bearing a male heir in most situations. Nobody tricked her... she knew exactly what that was and clicked 'YES' to continue every step of the way cause she wanted something out of it. Prostitution maybe, not rape.

This is Sansa's second marriage...they purposely bring up her first marriage to juxtapose the two to illustrate how this was not going to be like that.
 

ciubaca

Superstar
Joined
Nov 30, 2014
Messages
9,301
Reputation
3,598
Daps
29,227
well she could fight, but whats the point it's just ganna be more pain for her, so she decided to take it on the chin.... it's rape, no doubt about it . HBO has a problem with these scenes.... sansa din not get raped in the books and that scene with jaimie and cersei was not that "rapey" in the books either. Why ad more shyt like this to a story that is already full of :demonic: shyt
Not to mention sansa and dany had no say in these "marriages"
 
Joined
May 7, 2012
Messages
27,790
Reputation
4,712
Daps
103,458
well she could fight, but whats the point it's just ganna be more pain for her, so she decided to take it on the chin.... it's rape, no doubt about it . HBO has a problem with these scenes.... sansa din not get raped in the books and that scene with jaimie and cersei was not that "rapey" in the books either. Why ad more shyt like this to a story that is already full of :demonic: shyt
Not to mention sansa and dany had no say in these "marriages"

Ya, but that's just cuz Sansa didn't marry Ramsay in the book. Ramsay did rape the chick he did marry in the book and from what I hear, the scene was much worse. HBO toned it down considerably. All we saw was Sansa's face.
 

ciubaca

Superstar
Joined
Nov 30, 2014
Messages
9,301
Reputation
3,598
Daps
29,227
Ya, but that's just cuz Sansa didn't marry Ramsay in the book. Ramsay did rape the chick he did marry in the book and from what I hear, the scene was much worse. HBO toned it down considerably. All we saw was Sansa's face.

Anyway idk why hbo made this decission to marry her to bolton, they are taking this shyt in a different direction from the books
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Top