a rat will say anything to save his own tailRussel Poole's story should be the source material for the next season of HBO's True Detective.
Kefe D himself said that Poole knew everything and that he told Kading what he wanted to hear. Kading, a liar who is doing documentaries instead of police work BECAUSE he got caught lying in court and doing shady shyt concerning confessions said Kefe was a liar...but wants you to believe him only when he supports the Orlando Anderson narrative to keep the LAPD from having to cough up billions of dollars to the Wallace estate.
Do some research on Afeni and the "east vs. west" beef between Panther factions that the COINTELPRO stirred up to disband the organization. Bigge ain't get killed for revenge for Pac's murder, he got killed to sell a story. Orlando Anderson, if the true culprit was 100% more responsible and easier to get at than Biggie Smalls yet he not only went on a public innocence tour, testified on Suge's behalf in court, sued the Shakur estate and out-lived BIG for like about a year and a half before dying in an unrelated indecent and was never charged with the murder.
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I would say that goes double for cops.
It was at Jermaine Dupris birthday party, word is Puffs bodyguard Anthony Wolf Jones shot and killed Suges friend Jake Robles, Dj Quik and Robles were also good friends which i think played into the whole conspiracy that Quik had something to do with BIG shooting, anyways long story short Suge and his crew and Puff and his crew got into a shouting match at the party, it continued outside, shots rang out, cats dipped, Jake Robles got shot, died in hospital a few days later. Anthony Wolf Jones was also involved in the Shyne night club shooting, in like 02 or 03 Wolf was shot and killed in Atlanta.
no argument there
Yaddam Yussein
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In the video Gene talks about him, Keffe D, Treach and Bad Boy hanging out. Apparently this was before the PAC killing according to people ITT.
Guvnor
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Wow thanks for the info breh, I heard BMF played a role in Wolf's shooting as well allegedly. Very sad what happened there that night though cause that seems to be part of what triggered the beef between bad boy and death row.
King Karim
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u givin tupac too much credit. he wasn't that important nor a threat to the govt.Russel Poole's story should be the source material for the next season of HBO's True Detective.
Kefe D himself said that Poole knew everything and that he told Kading what he wanted to hear. Kading, a liar who is doing documentaries instead of police work BECAUSE he got caught lying in court and doing shady shyt concerning confessions said Kefe was a liar...but wants you to believe him only when he supports the Orlando Anderson narrative to keep the LAPD from having to cough up billions of dollars to the Wallace estate.
Do some research on Afeni and the "east vs. west" beef between Panther factions that the COINTELPRO stirred up to disband the organization. Bigge ain't get killed for revenge for Pac's murder, he got killed to sell a story. Orlando Anderson, if the true culprit was 100% more responsible and easier to get at than Biggie Smalls yet he not only went on a public innocence tour, testified on Suge's behalf in court, sued the Shakur estate and out-lived BIG for like about a year and a half before dying in an unrelated indecent and was never charged with the murder.
we know it wasn't a govt hit b/c he wasn't hit about the shoulders
Government doesn't mean they Sent Seal team 6 after him, cops are government employees are they not?. The local Compton GOVERNMENT is legendary for it's corruption and collusion. While the FBI had files on Pac before DR at the time of the shooting in vegas they were more interested in DR being used as a front money laundering for drug trafficking and had them under heavy surveillance.
Hell Freeway Ricky Ross said he's the one who hooked Harry-O up with Suge and Dre...is this nikka a notorious drug dealer who was working for the GOVERNMENT or is he a talent scout?
Pac WAS a threat to the government...you take a look at the long term goals of the COINTELPRO program and you'll see why the FBI was keeping him within arms reach even before he became DR's main source of clean money.
You see how they weren't nearly as afraid of Elijah...the one with seniority, power and connections as they were with Stokley Carmichael....he had the charisma and the youth. You don't think that applies to pac if you try and translate this model to modern day? Do you realize that 2pac was essentially the 'prince' of the BLA (black liberation army) headed by his mentors and family members? You realize he was openly trying to unify and organize black gangs (what would be called militias if they were white). You realize before DR his claim to fame was supposedly inspiring a young black man to shoot a cop during a traffic stop and then shooting two cops himself...
If you don't think the government, with a big G wasn't paying attention and didn't see where all that was headed...you're a fukking fool.
And again, that doesn't mean they sent Seal Team 6 in, but the natural progression of a charismatic, pro-black, MILITANT figure like 2pac calls for neutralization of some sort. The FBI was after John Lennon's ass for much less. Tell me I'm lying. nikkas talmbout "he wasn't a threat" obviously don't do their research. Combine all that with 2pac making problems for the local government by looking to audit their money laundering machine to get what he was owed...
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King Karim
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you just being too much of a fan Breh....it wasn't no elaborate scheme to take out Pac.....Pac was known for jumping dudes and his luck ran out in Vegas he finally jumped the wrong cat.Government doesn't mean they Sent Seal team 6 after him, cops are government employees are they not?. The local Compton GOVERNMENT is legendary for it's corruption and collusion. While the FBI had files on Pac before DR at the time of the shooting in vegas they were more interested in DR being used as a front money laundering for drug trafficking and had them under heavy surveillance.
Hell Freeway Ricky Ross said he's the one who hooked Harry-O up with Suge and Dre...is this nikka a notorious drug dealer who was working for the GOVERNMENT or is he a talent scout?
Pac WAS a threat to the government...you take a look at the long term goals of the COINTELPRO program and you'll see why the FBI was keeping him within arms reach even before he became DR's main source of clean money.
You see how they weren't nearly as afraid of Elijah...the one with seniority, power and connections as they were with Stokley Carmichael....he had the charisma and the youth. You don't think that applies to pac if you try and translate this model to modern day? Do you realize that 2pac was essentially the 'prince' of the BLA (black liberation army) headed by his mentors and family members? You realize he was openly trying to unify and organize black gangs (what would be called militias if they were white). You realize before DR his claim to fame was supposedly inspiring a young black man to shoot a cop during a traffic stop and then shooting two cops himself...
If you don't think the government, with a big G wasn't paying attention and didn't see where all that was headed...you're a fukking fool.
And again, that doesn't mean they sent Seal Team 6 in, but the natural progression of a charismatic, pro-black, MILITANT figure like 2pac calls for neutralization of some sort. The FBI was after John Lennon's ass for much less. Tell me I'm lying. nikkas talmbout "he wasn't a threat" obviously don't do their research. Combine all that with 2pac making problems for the local government by looking to audit their money laundering machine to get what he was owed...
Man it's police corruption EVERYWHERE esp in major cities, go research it and tell me what u find.....Hell right here in Atlanta where Pac shot 2 cops we had the highest ranked people in law enforcement knocking off their rivals in the dept, but that don't mean the GOVT killed bankrolll fresh or young mazi eitherhttp://www.ajc.com/news/local/years-ago-dekalb-sheriff-had-his-political-rival-murdered/7nukL76ETsFQDxIOPegZHL/
and brother pac was no way, no how a threat to the govt.
at the time of his death, he was no longer the young revolutionary Tupac, he had turnt into a gang affiliate "ridin" on their enemies.....He had major beef with heavyweights on both coasts...He was constantly FIGHTING BROTHERS, was drinking and smoking heavily, had another beef with another gang in LA not named the Southside Crips, he was still trying not to go back to prison.
Govt didn't have to lay one finger on Tupac (local or federal), they knew it was only a matter of time based on how he was living/acting and who he was associating himself with.
and the FEDS have basically a file on everybody man, esp if you're a public figure....I will bet you anything that a govt. agency has a file on you and me also. nothing new
So:
- Pac fires Kenner to lawyer up forreal to audit Death Row....the local governments money laundering machine, but he wasn't a 'threat'.
- Pac gets famous for being the inspiration behind a cop killing with his pro-black message in his raps. Further's his legend by shooting two cops himself., has direct familial ties to the BLA , openly organizes black militias, is an outspoken socialist ... all while being one of the most dynamic and influential voices in mainstream media. Still no 'threat...no boxes ticked on the COINTELPRO check list, not one.
Even the "east vs. west" shyt is right out of their playbook. Ain't got shyt to do with being too much of a fan, I'm just not stupid and I know my history.
Sir Brehsington
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Good post...pride and ego...cats forget how young nikkas was at this point in they career...Honestly I think Puff didn't think they'd kill BIG... he knew he owed... he knew repercussions were threatened... but he didn't think they'd do it. But they did. Pride and greed.
Wish that DC episode with Cease woulda happened after this dropped... Cease plays it cool, and seems like a decent guy, but I feel like it's a lot more he knows in terms of that night that he's never verbalized publicly.
"Moms crotched up over the casket, screamin b*stard...Cryin, know my friends is lyin...Y'all know who killed him filled 'em with the lugars from they Rugers or they Desert, dyin ain't the shyt but it's pleasant..."
Gene really despises Puff...
I know it's irrational in a sense, but I believe every word Gene says.
I hope he finds peace... And hopefully Gene stays safe.
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I moved hella reckless at 24-25 compared to 34-35...add money, drugs, a gang of dudes claiming they ready to ride out and top of the line hoes..its easy to have a bulletproof perception...
UserNameless
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Word... really, many would think at 25 you should have enough sense to dial back that bullet proof shyt at that point...
...but how many folks thinking that have been playin' with millions at 25 with access to the most exclusive places and things and runnin' with a gang of dudes amid drugs everywhere?
Exactly.
Most of us will never have that experience at 25, 35, 45... shyt, in life... I know some 45 year olds that woulda fukked up that money.
King Karim
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againSo:
- Pac fires Kenner to lawyer up forreal to audit Death Row....the local governments money laundering machine, but he wasn't a 'threat'.
- Pac gets famous for being the inspiration behind a cop killing with his pro-black message in his raps. Further's his legend by shooting two cops himself., has direct familial ties to the BLA , openly organizes black militias, is an outspoken socialist ... all while being one of the most dynamic and influential voices in mainstream media. Still no 'threat...no boxes ticked on the COINTELPRO check list, not one.
Even the "east vs. west" shyt is right out of their playbook. Ain't got shyt to do with being too much of a fan, I'm just not stupid and I know my history.
shady practices with lawyers and people working within the govt is nothing new brother. Thats reality for you. If they was laundering before he got there, they could have done just fine without him.
Pac did not "get famous for that cop-killing" cmon let's stop painting a false narrative. He was "famous" before that even happened. He was "very famous" after the low budget movie he starred in became a classic.
Pac shot white officers, ain't no black officers gonna retaliate on him for that, and he was shot by a black person.
Man u gotta take Tupac for face value at the time of his death and how he was moving. He talked that in his earlier years, but when he got out of prison...Pac changed....His closest friends all said the same....He distanced himself from the people who actually had real love for him whether he had $2 or $2million dollars....instead he aligned himself with a well known gang set outta Compton and started talking, walking and acting like a gang member...Orlando wasn't the 1st ass-whooping that Pac and the MOB laid out. That's why the act was so casual for Pac, b/c that's how he was living. Soooooo instead of bringing unity between the gangs that he talked about and wrote about when he was younger, he was doing the total opposite. He was knee-deep in the gang life.
Pac just moved all wrong after that shooting in NYC. He let his emotions and anger overtake his god given intellect. He was too easily influenced by those who did not have his well-being at heart, and it lead to his demise.
Listen to the gems that those were around him dropped that people didn't catch
Mob James said they rode back on Southside not so much to revenge or avenge Pac and his death, but they were protecting their rep.
If Pac don't run up and rush Orlando like he did, then he makes it to 662 for his performance that night....The Tupac killing was a reaction, not a ACTION
I forgot about this documentary.