Gaza Michigan Receipts

[MAKAVELI25]

You mean giving Israel the complete green light to do whatever they want to do?

We don’t need to speculate when they’ve said the quiet part out loud.

Under Biden, the US provided the weaponry that Israel needed, lied about whether Israel were violating humanitarian law to continue giving them weapons, covered for them at the UN, and aided and abetted them in almost every way.

Bidens record on Gaza has been nothing short of atrocious. Saying Trump will be worse, which I agree with, should not absolve Biden and his team from blame as well.

 

[Pressure]

Under Biden, the US provided the weaponry that Israel needed, lied about whether Israel were violating humanitarian law to continue giving them weapons, covered for them at the UN, and aided and abetted them in almost every way.

Bidens record on Gaza has been nothing short of atrocious. Saying Trump will be worse, which is agree with, should not absolve Biden and his team from blame as well.

No, im asking you to source your claim that Trump pressured Bibi.

 

[Conan]

Your lack of knowledge about international affairs continues to a blindspot in your posting.

You really should stick to domestic.

He's retarded in all affairs

 

[MAKAVELI25]

No, im asking you to source your claim that Trump pressured Bibi.

This was all over the news when the ceasefire was announced. Of note is that the deal that Israel ended up agreeing to was not all that different from the one the Biden team was proposing for months. The only material difference seems to be that Trump's team was involved in the new negotiations. Also note that in my intial post, I mentioned Steve Witkoff and Trump's team specifically

How the Cease-Fire Push Brought Together Biden and Trump’s Teams

Rarely have representatives of current and new presidents of different parties worked together at such a high-stakes moment. But the president and the president-elect didn’t quite share credit.

www.nytimes.com

"Mr. Witkoff’s work, including the meeting with Mr. Netanyahu, helped Mr. McGurk and the Biden administration to put pressure on both sides during the negotiation, according to the person familiar with the talks."

How much credit does Trump really deserve for the Gaza ceasefire?

Trump’s role in the Israel-Hamas negotiation, explained.

www.vox.com

"Second, in recent days, Trump’s team — most notably incoming Middle East Envoy Steve Witkoff — became involved in the process directly, pressuring Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to make concessions and agree to a deal."

https://www.axios.com/2025/01/11/trumps-israel-gaza-deal-jan-20-witkoff

"Why it matters: Witkoff's traveled to Israel from Qatar as part of a last-minute effort by Trump to press all parties involved in the negotiations to conclude the deal before Jan. 20.

Trump has threatened there would be "hell to pay in the Middle East" if Hamas didn't release the hostages by the time he is inaugurated."

 

[wire28]

No, im asking you to source your claim that Trump pressured Bibi.

Whatever pressure he exerted net and yahoo must have loved it cause he had a permanent on his face while Trump was talking about the US taking over Gaza.

 

[Pressure]

This was all over the news when the ceasefire was announced. Of note is that the deal that Israel ended up agreeing to was not all that different from the one the Biden team was proposing for months. The only material difference seems to be that Trump's team was involved in the new negotiations.

And now knowing what we know, from Trump’s own mouth and actions he is not pressuring Israel.

So logic suggests, considering it’s the same deal, that Bibi was holding out of accepting a ceasefire to get Trump in office. A ceasefire Trump says he doesn’t care if it holds.



This isn’t difficult.

 

[MAKAVELI25]

And now knowing what we know, from Trump’s own mouth and actions he is not pressuring Israel.

So logic suggests, considering it’s the same deal, that Bibi was holding out of accepting a ceasefire to get Trump in office. A ceasefire Trump says he doesn’t care if it holds.



This isn’t difficult.

You're moving the goalposts. The point was that the ceasefire would not have occurred without Trump's team being involved.

And that is because Biden refused to exert leverage that he had as the President of Israel's most powerful and important ally. And this goes hand in hand with how the Biden Administration has facilitate and supported Israel's war crimes since October 7.

Whether or not Trump cares if the ceasefire holds is immaterial to my original point. His team's involvement was critical to the ceasefire going in to effect.

 

[Pressure]

You're moving the goalposts. The point was that the ceasefire would not have occurred without Trump's team being involved.

No it isn’t. And there’s no way to prove or disprove this statement. Interesting lead.

And that is because Biden refused to exert leverage that he had as the President of Israel's most powerful and important ally. And this goes hand in hand with how the Biden Administration has facilitate and supported Israel's war crimes since October 7.

The ceasefire happened under the Biden administration. So clearly, whatever leverage you think was exerted to force it he did.

But let’s not get caught up in the framing as it’s just your theory.

Whether or not Trump cares if the ceasefire holds is immaterial to my original point. His team's involvement was critical to the ceasefire going in to effect.

so, if that were the case, why isn’t Trump using this same leverage to maintain the ceasefire and force Israeli concessions on the rebuilding of Gaza?

You can’t have it both ways.

This is such a strange belief to hold onto in a world where all USAID has been canceled under Trump except for Israel.

 

[John Reena]

I don’t understand ANY black ppl in the “Free Palestine “ movement. They didn’t see all the racist stuff those Arabs said about Kamala AND black ppl in general? Have they forgotten the disrespect Arabs always show black ppl?

 

[AquaCityBoy]

Yes, why would black people have empathy for another marginalized group or understand that our liberations are intrinsically tied

 

[Pressure]

Yes, why would black people have empathy for another marginalized group or understand that our liberations are intrinsically tied

Trump liberating black people worldwide

 

[morris]

Biden Announces Ceasefire Deal Between Hamas, Israel in Farewell Address

President Joe Biden announced a ceasefire and hostage-exchange deal between Israel and Hamas — a truce that Defense Department officials believe signals a possible end to 15 months of conflict in the

www.defense.gov

it took both to bring a ceasefire

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

 

[MAKAVELI25]

No it isn’t. And there’s no way to prove or disprove this statement. Interesting lead.

So why wasn't the Biden administration successful with their months of attempting to negotiate the ceasefire? You're right, there's no way to prove or disprove a counterfactual. But it can't be a complete coincidence that the ceasefire only materialized once Witkoff and Trump's team involved. Especially seeing as there were not many differences between that deal and what Biden already proposed.

The ceasefire happened under the Biden administration. So clearly, whatever leverage you think was exerted to force it he did.

Again, the ceasefire only happened once Trump's team got involved. The Biden Administration had been pushing almost exactly the same proposal for months, just because it happened while he was still President doesn't mean he was primarily responsible.

But let’s not get caught up in the framing as it’s just your theory.

so, if that were the case, why isn’t Trump using this same leverage to maintain the ceasefire and force Israeli concessions on the rebuilding of Gaza?

Again, I'm not talking about what Trump will do in the future. And also, Trump doesn't give a crap what happens to the Palestinians, he pushed for the ceasefire because he doesn't want a messy situation while he is in office. This has nothing to do with whether or it was his team that was primarily responsible for achieving the ceasefire.

You can’t have it both ways.

This is such a strange belief to hold onto in a world where all USAID has been canceled under Trump except for Israel.

You are making a lot of irrelevant arguments in this post. My point has to do with the ceasefire that has occurred, I'm not arguing that Trump is some great defender of Palestinians.

 

[Conan]

Yes, why would black people have empathy for another marginalized group or understand that our liberations are intrinsically tied

Yeah, what the fukk was Malcolm X doing bothering about Palestinians? Or James Baldwin? Or many other black thought leaders and luminaries?

If only they were as simple minded as our BlueMAGA cohort