fukk espn: What’s your current top 10 going into the NBA season?

[Th3Birdman]

You don't watch hoops like that, otherwise, I would've seen you in threads discussing the game, but you only post about Bron-Lakers. You treat the NBA as a vessel for your Bron fandom, as it it were a comic-book and he's the superhero; everything else is just background contrast to put him center frame

Retard shyt take.

I quite literally do not have time to post on this board all the time like YOU people do. I have a channel to run, IG posts to make, videos to film, places to see and things to do. You don't know who you're talking to.

I failed to post about the past two games on these boards because I was literally traveling to the other side of the planet. I gave video proof I watched the Nuggets game while getting blasted, yet I didn't post anything on these boards about that game.

See how I can watch a game and not come to a relatively obscure hip hop forum with mainly retarded Laker/LeBron haters?

I've seen you constantly highlight FG%, but that is an outdated measurement, and doesn't account for actual efficiency. eFG%, for instance, weighs up two-point shots and three-point shots in a relative manner to get a direct efficiency on points per shot. You've got TS% which takes into account two-point shots, three-point shots and freethrows. You've got contested/uncontested rebounds, which show if a player's rebound activity is from actually competing for boards against opposition players, or if they're rebounds where the opposition isn't even in the vicinity.

You've said precisely fukk all. This is a textbook gish gallop. LeBron's eFG% matches my arguments exactly, as does his TS%. No need to respond to this. You're talking to a "box score watcher", remember? I know all of this already. You just told Steph Curry a 24-footer is worth 3 points. Thanks captain obvious.

There's a difference between empirical/factual evidence of the shape of the Earth, and stats for basketball. There is no alternative to the Earth's shape, there is, however, many ways in which you can weigh up impact in basketball. As I need to keep reiterating to you, box score stats are an outdated scale on what's happening on the floor. There are an infinite amount of actions that happen in a game that aren't recorded in the traditional box score, and just because they're recorded in the box score doesn't mean they're actions more important or impactful as ones that aren't.

Take this for instance:

x-player gets accredited with a rebound on a possession
y-player gets accredited with nothing on a possession

Now, all x-player did during that possession was grab an [uncontested] rebound where literally no opposition player was within 12ft of him, but y-player stayed on the ball-handler's hip for the large majority of the possession, fighting through multiple screens, cutting off the ball-handler from driving down the lane, and then forcing him to pick up the ball, throwing an errant pass to a player in the corner, with the shotclock winding down, forcing him into a rushed shot which barely grazed rim. While in the process of the shot, y-player sprints to the opposite elbow to box out the closest man to the ball on the rebound opportunity.

Why is it you put all this weight into a box score stat rebound, when x-player didn't really do anything of significance and importance during that possession, yet y-player was the one who had the most impact?

Again, you are wasting my time saying absolutely nothing. I've already told you that I watch more basketball than you, and the only reason I'd point to numbers in an online debate is to avoid a he-said-she-said turn of events where I say one player had a better game/season/playoff run than another. I can wax poetic about Bibby's ability to come off the screen and cash a three or drop a dime to Stojakovic for a three, but it's just words until I also drop the evidence to back it up.

Your entire argument hinges on the concept of me not watching these games, which is hilarious, because you've admitted to seeing me in the fukking game threads. Why would I be there if I'm not watching the game, but instead watching the box score? How does that even work? Do you not realize how ridiculous that sounds?

You're spinning fiction that only a wigga as dumb as Sccit would buy.

If your thing is to follow the evidence, than you wouldn't be using box score stats in the manner that you do. You'd use other stats instead,

It literally wouldn't matter what I used, you'd still discount them because they prove you wrong. You have admitted that you believe TEAM success is how you measure individual players. You have lost all credibility after that, and I no longer care about having a reasonable basketball discourse with you, and instead will focus on tearing your house-of-cards arguments to shreds.

It's painfully obvious that because you only post about Bron, and you treat him as if he's the protagonist in this narrative of fiction, that you aren't paying attention to other players/teams.

I couldn't give a fukk about your channel. It means nothing to me. Why do you keep bringing it up as if it has currency on this board?

Because you need to realize who the fukk you're talking to. I am well known for my analytical skills, ability to call specific playoff series and my ability to present well reasoned arguments that cannot be fukked with.

You SHOULD pay attention to the person you're currently engaged with, especially when you're making the sheer amount of erroneous claims you do. Nikkas from my hood would outright laugh at you for saying I don't watch ball-- breh, I've had to force people to recognize I have other interests than basketball. That's literally the only thing some nikkas know me for. I got dudes bringing up shyt I was talking about in 2007 to this day.

This is insulting, honestly. I literally can recall Vancouver Grizzly games from the White Chocolate era, after the Bibby trade. Everything you talk about is modern era basketball, we are not the same. Stop playing with me breh

Please, nxgga, do not talk about obsession when you only post about Bron. Do not stab yourself with your own sword of self-awareness (lack thereof).

LeBron is the most popular topic in the fukking sports forum. That being the case, he's literally a lightning rod for shyt takes. Quite frankly, that's the one thing that grinds my gears more than anything: bad arguments. That's the only reason I engage. Other than that, I stick to the Locker Room. I literally have multiple threads bodying Luken and Civic, with WAY more posts than any Bron thread. I probably have more posts talking about JAPAN than LeBron. Almost all of my posts from September were about Los Angeles, my birthplace.


Miss me with the bullshyt my nikka, you only see the Laker posts because you live in the Coliseum.

Players that perform in high-stakes moments to carry their respective team deep into the playoffs should be valued as such, and players that don't, do not have that added to their value.

You're speaking like it shouldn't matter, at all, which is patently ridiculous, and you're only arguing that because Bron is no longer in that position. If he won the title last season, you'd be using that in argument for where he ranked.

This is patently ridiculous. The biggest knock on LeBron his entire career has been the clutch talking point popularized by Skip Bayless. Obviously, this has been a lie from jump, but I've always argued that LeBron was the best player in the league since about 2006, back when that talking point was RAMPANT. I've got 10 year old reddit posts to prove it.
I was a staple in the newly formed NBA subreddit, and on InsideHoops.com where they was calling LeBron "Bran"

You got the wrong one my dude. I have always argued ability. This is why I, a Laker fan, have argued AGAINST Kobe in the LeBron/Kobe debate, while rooting AGAINST LeBron when the Lakers played his Cavs and Heat. I don't care if Bron wins or loses-- his performance is where I judge him. I call him out when he needs to be called out, and praise his performance when it needs to be praised. That's because I'm honest.

It is NOT irrefutable.

There are a handful of players that have been better than Bron over the past 2-3 seasons

"Better" is a value judgement that has no meaning without clear and concise evidence to back it up.

Eyetest tells me LeBron is still as athletic as ever, a tad slower than his peak yet somehow still faster than most guards WITH the basketball in transition.

Eyetest tells me LeBron scores as easily as any player in this league, because he's too big for guards and too fast for bigs.

Eyetest tells me Bron is still the best passer in the game, making passes at angles no one in the league is capable or has shown to be capable of.

Eyetest shows me Bron can dunk on anyone in the league in year 20.

Then I look at the numbers and I see that I didn't even realize he dropped 30 in this particular game because he was on cruise control the entire game. Went the entire 2nd and 3rd quarters facilitating, and still somehow came out with 30 points 9 boards. One of the biggest criticisms of LeBron (that even I make sometimes) is that he drops 30 but clearly could have done way more had he attacked more often.

What fukking player drops 30 and people expect MORE from? Only one: LeBron Raymone James.

That's all the proof you need that LeBron is still the best in the league. We judge him on an entirely unreasonable level because that's the expectation HE has set with his own ability. We blast him for NOT dropping 45 because we know he can. Curry, Giannis, Durant nor Jokic have this expectation. It's like we are admitting he's clearly the best because we have expectations of him that we've never had for any other player.

I don't see other players having off nights and still giving you 26+ points. That's the level we're talking about here. Not a SINGLE one of those players named cruise to 30 points, having bad shooting nights and barely getting to the free throw line. I see the absolute EASE with which LeBron controls the parts of the game he can control, and I also see his teammates completely whither the MOMENT he goes to the bench. That's been the case with the OG Cavs, the Heat, the Return Cavs and the Lakers.

That's LeBron's impact. That his teams utterly rely on him to do every single thing, and you cannot say the same for a single other player in the NBA. That's why he's the best, and I didn't need to watch the box score to come to that conclusion.

I'm not responding to anything else you have to say. This is dead, homie. Talk about something else, or do it with someone else, I got shyt to do

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Retard shyt take.

I quite literally do not have time to post on this board all the time like YOU people do. I have a channel to run, IG posts to make, videos to film, places to see and things to do. You don't know who you're talking to.

I failed to post about the past two games on these boards because I was literally traveling to the other side of the planet. I gave video proof I watched the Nuggets game while getting blasted, yet I didn't post anything on these boards about that game.

Do you not realize you're only continuing to prove my point?

You're talking specifically about watching Lakers games, when I'm literally telling you that's all you post about. You don't post about other players/teams. You're talking about how you didn't post about the past two Lakers games, and that you gave video proof you watched the Lakers/Nuggets game. When dig, I literally said in first sentence of my last response -"You don't watch hoops like that, otherwise, I would've seen you in threads discussing the game, but you only post about Bron-Lakers.", and your proof against that is bringing up Lakers games you watched.

THAT'S MY POINT!

You only care about Bron and the Lakers.

This is why your frame of reference is as narrow as it is, because you don't watch other players/team play regularly enough. Of course, it only stands to reason your confirmation bias in combination with only watching one team, means you're going to have a skewed interpretation on player rankings. I'm trying to get you to acknowledge this.

You've said precisely fukk all. This is a textbook gish gallop. LeBron's eFG% matches my arguments exactly, as does his TS%. No need to respond to this. You're talking to a "box score watcher", remember? I know all of this already. You just told Steph Curry a 24-footer is worth 3 points. Thanks captain obvious.

Who do you think you're kidding?

You haven't used eFG% nor TS% in any argument you've made on this board, yet you wanna act like you know how to properly contextualize these stats? Notice how I've broken down your faulty logic with clear examples, and all you can to do in response is yell with your keyboard. The manner in which you argue by using box score stats tells me you have absolutely no cotdamn idea of how to properly scale the game.

Now, you're trying to save face with this I-already-know-that act, when it's blatantly obvious you do not.

Again, you are wasting my time saying absolutely nothing. I've already told you that I watch more basketball than you, and the only reason I'd point to numbers in an online debate is to avoid a he-said-she-said turn of events where I say one player had a better game/season/playoff run than another. I can wax poetic about Bibby's ability to come off the screen and cash a three or drop a dime to Stojakovic for a three, but it's just words until I also drop the evidence to back it up.

The only one saying a bunch of nothing is YOU.

You've yet to actually respond to my actual arguments. You simply bounce back and forth between ad hominem, minutiae and stamping irrelevant talking points, most of which are nonsensical, and are only telling on yourself. You don't watch more hoops than me - I know that for a fact. Your analysis is elementary; you use box score stats as if you're warding off demons with a crucifix; you only post about Lakers/Bron. You're the epitome of a Casual. Bringing up a player who hasn't played in a decade (for the second time now) is only further proof of this.

You simply do NOT understand how to break down the game beyond a surface level.

Your entire argument hinges on the concept of me not watching these games, which is hilarious, because you've admitted to seeing me in the fukking game threads. Why would I be there if I'm not watching the game, but instead watching the box score? How does that even work? Do you not realize how ridiculous that sounds?

I said the exact opposite -

"You don't watch hoops like that, otherwise, I would've seen you in threads discussing the game, but you only post about Bron-Lakers."

I can see reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. There you go again, posting about minutiae instead of addressing my arguments about Bron's ranking. It's painfully obvious that you're using all your energy on all these trivial matters to deflect away from debating what's important here, likely because you know, even on some subconscious level, your argument doesn't have a leg to stand on.

It literally wouldn't matter what I used, you'd still discount them because they prove you wrong. You have admitted that you believe TEAM success is how you measure individual players. You have lost all credibility after that, and I no longer care about having a reasonable basketball discourse with you, and instead will focus on tearing your house-of-cards arguments to shreds.

Team success is part of the equation. It's not the equation in its entirety. There are many factors you have to weigh up: player skillset, player performance/impact, team success, playoff carryover, ability to elevate teammates, relative resume vs. peers. The list goes on. The problem with you is, you're discounting team success, altogether. You're saying it shouldn't be factored into player rankings, at all. Look at how emotional you're getting which is causing you not read my arguments in their rightful context. You know cotdamn well I'm not saying team success is the only thing when comparing players, but you're conveniently using this straw man as an escape route.

You don't wanna debate hoops with me because you can't. You're only telling on yourself by saying you no longer care to talk hoops, but instead will use your energy to tear my "house-of-cards arguments to shreds" as if it's not an obvious attempt at deflection. That's clearly the voice of someone who knows they're fighting a losing battle, so they'll continue to argue for the sake of, all because they don't wanna admit defeat.

Because you need to realize who the fukk you're talking to. I am well known for my analytical skills, ability to call specific playoff series and my ability to present well reasoned arguments that cannot be fukked with.

My brotha, you're embarrassing yourself now. This isn't a good look.

You SHOULD pay attention to the person you're currently engaged with, especially when you're making the sheer amount of erroneous claims you do. Nikkas from my hood would outright laugh at you for saying I don't watch ball-- breh, I've had to force people to recognize I have other interests than basketball. That's literally the only thing some nikkas know me for. I got dudes bringing up shyt I was talking about in 2007 to this day.

This is insulting, honestly. I literally can recall Vancouver Grizzly games from the White Chocolate era, after the Bibby trade. Everything you talk about is modern era basketball, we are not the same. Stop playing with me breh

I'm getting second-hand embarrassment reading your shyt now.

LeBron is the most popular topic in the fukking sports forum. That being the case, he's literally a lightning rod for shyt takes. Quite frankly, that's the one thing that grinds my gears more than anything: bad arguments. That's the only reason I engage. Other than that, I stick to the Locker Room. I literally have multiple threads bodying Luken and Civic, with WAY more posts than any Bron thread. I probably have more posts talking about JAPAN than LeBron. Almost all of my posts from September were about Los Angeles, my birthplace.


Miss me with the bullshyt my nikka, you only see the Laker posts because you live in the Coliseum.

I could care less about what the fukk you're posting about, in general. Why do you think your posts in TLR has any relevance in this argument? When I talk about you only post about Bron/Lakers, it means when it comes to the NBA, that's all you post about. I don't mean literally every single post you've made on this board is about them. It's just in relation to your posts about the NBA, hence why I said you don't watch hoops like that.

If you say you watch basketball as much as you do, why don't you post about other players/teams?

I just did a quick search of your username with posts on this specific subforum, and I'd estimate 95% of your posts are about the Lakers and Bron. That's not the posting activity of someone who watches all players/teams in order to give an accurate account of player rankings. You're blinded by your fandom that you can't see this point.

This is patently ridiculous. The biggest knock on LeBron his entire career has been the clutch talking point popularized by Skip Bayless. Obviously, this has been a lie from jump, but I've always argued that LeBron was the best player in the league since about 2006, back when that talking point was RAMPANT. I've got 10 year old reddit posts to prove it.
I was a staple in the newly formed NBA subreddit, and on InsideHoops.com where they was calling LeBron "Bran"

Let me reiterate this for you:

Notice how I debunked your actual arguments about Bron, and how you compare players, and all you've done is bring up shyt like "I was a staple in the newly formed NBA subreddit, and on InsideHoops.com where the was calling LeBron "Bran"". See how you're diverting from the actual argument and filling up the space with this completely irrelevant nonsense, over and over, about what you've done on other boards, or what other topics you post about elsewhere on the board, or about your "analytical skills" or about your childhood.

Do I need to spell out how this makes you look?

"Better" is a value judgement that has no meaning without clear and concise evidence to back it up.

Eyetest tells me LeBron is still as athletic as ever, a tad slower than his peak yet somehow still faster than most guards WITH the basketball in transition.

Eyetest tells me LeBron scores as easily as any player in this league, because he's too big for guards and too fast for bigs.

Eyetest tells me Bron is still the best passer in the game, making passes at angles no one in the league is capable or has shown to be capable of.

Eyetest shows me Bron can dunk on anyone in the league in year 20.

Then I look at the numbers and I see that I didn't even realize he dropped 30 in this particular game because he was on cruise control the entire game. Went the entire 2nd and 3rd quarters facilitating, and still somehow came out with 30 points 9 boards. One of the biggest criticisms of LeBron (that even I make sometimes) is that he drops 30 but clearly could have done way more had he attacked more often.

What fukking player drops 30 and people expect MORE from? Only one: LeBron Raymone James.

You're a trip.

You don't even realize you're living a existence where you're a caricature of a Bron stan. If I didn't know any better I'd swear you were laughing out loud while typing this all out, as if you were on that satire tip. You're completely incapable of having an objective discussion about him. You don't even realize how crazy you sound; it's like Bron is your crack and you're stupefied at every mention of his name, as if it's being injected straight into your veins.

That's LeBron's impact. That his teams utterly rely on him to do every single thing, and you cannot say the same for a single other player in the NBA. That's why he's the best, and I didn't need to watch the box score to come to that conclusion.

I'm not responding to anything else you have to say. This is dead, homie. Talk about something else, or do it with someone else, I got shyt to do

I hope one day you see the error in your ways, and get a good laugh out of it like I'm doing now. You're to Bron stans as to what Sccit is to Kobe stans; you both operate on the same delusional, dishonest, desperate and detached [from reality] level. Let me know when you conjure up the courage and ability to debate this topic through an unbiased and filtered lens.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Lemme just end this by putting the final nail in your coffin.

- Here you are saying that this current version of Bron isn't as good as he was in Miami
- Here you saying "if you're not better than LeBron in more statistics than he is better than you, you're not a better basketball player than him".

2013-14 Bron:

27 PPG
6.9 rebounds
6.3 assists
1.6 steals
0.3 blocks
37 minutes per game

2021-22 Bron:

30 PPG
8.2 rebounds
6.2 assists
1.3 steals
1.1 blocks
37 minutes per game.

Quite clearly, going by your methodology of being better in more statistics = being the better player, that Bron was better a player last season than he was during his last season in Miami.

In fact, you'll find that his box score stats were overall greater last season than the majority of his seasons over the last decade.

You still how stuck your logic has become?

And here's another one -

2020-21 Giannis:

28 PPG
11 rebounds
6 assists
1.2 steals
1.2 blocks

2020-21 Bron:

25 ppg
7.7 rebounds
7.8 assists
1.1 steals
0.6 blocks

Giannis has him beat in every box score stat, except for assists, which is marginal.

Again, quite clearly, going by your methodology of being better in more statistics = being the better player, that Giannis was a better player that Bron that season, yet why do you believe that Bron is still the superior player? Did Giannis somehow get worse and Bron get better since 2021? If you believe Bron is the better player now, why wasn't Giannis better than him in '21?

And here's yet another one -

2020-21 Luka:

27.7 PPG
8 rebounds
8.6 assists
1.0 steals
0.5 blocks

2020-21 Bron:

25 ppg
7.7 rebounds
7.8 assists
1.1 steals
0.6 blocks

Luka has him beat in every box score stat, except for blocks and steals, which are near-identical.

Again, quite clearly, going by your methodology of being better in more statistics = being the better player, that Luka was a better player that Bron that season, yet why do you believe that Bron is still the superior player? Did Luka somehow get worse and Bron get better since 2021? If you believe Bron is the better player now, why wasn't Luka better than him in '21?

Funny how all these were ignored. I guess it's much harder to acknowledge when your [braindead] logic slaps you upside the head.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Eyetest tells me LeBron is still as athletic as ever, a tad slower than his peak yet somehow still faster than most guards WITH the basketball in transition.

Eyetest tells me LeBron scores as easily as any player in this league, because he's too big for guards and too fast for bigs.

Eyetest tells me Bron is still the best passer in the game, making passes at angles no one in the league is capable or has shown to be capable of.

Eyetest shows me Bron can dunk on anyone in the league in year 20.

Then I look at the numbers and I see that I didn't even realize he dropped 30 in this particular game because he was on cruise control the entire game. Went the entire 2nd and 3rd quarters facilitating, and still somehow came out with 30 points 9 boards. One of the biggest criticisms of LeBron (that even I make sometimes) is that he drops 30 but clearly could have done way more had he attacked more often.

What fukking player drops 30 and people expect MORE from? Only one: LeBron Raymone James.

That's all the proof you need that LeBron is still the best in the league.

 

[jaydawg08]

Dialogue should be a bedridden LeBron is still an All Star level player. Still playing great defense and able to impact the game when the shot ain't falling and lift ain't there

 

[Th3Birdman]

LeBron and Matt Ryan is smart coaching.

They’re going to link up for a gang of drive and kicks.

Bet money.

Ryan is one of the best shooting rookies in the NBA fam.

Russ, Bev, Bron and AD seem to be on the same page. Defense looks good— last year these nikkas gave up open 3s like prostitutes to the passport brehs.

Shooting is wack rn. But once Hamm realize Ryan is the team’s best shooter, they’ll work it out.

Stop talking to me about basketball, nikka.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

@Th3BronStanMan

It's time to admit your mans ain't at the top of the mountain anymore.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

In no particular order:

Giannis
Steph
Jokic.

They're solidified, and are pretty much interchangeable; all three have stronger arguments for being ranked at the top than their competition.

4. Luka
5. KD
6. Tatum
7. Embiid
8. Bron
9. Ja
10. Kawhi (he would be ranked higher had he not missed an entire season).

I think the only changes I'd make to this is subbing out Kawhi for SGA, and perhaps moves Bron down a place or two. Embiid probably deserves to be ranked a lil higher as well.

 

[Peter Popoff]

1. Steph
2. KD
3. Giannis
4. Ja
5. Jaylen Brown
6. Donovan Mitchell
7. LeBron
8. Kawhi
9. Tatum
10. Joker

 

[Morethan1]

1 Giannis
2 KD
3 Steph
4 Joker
5 Embiid
6 Luka
7 Tatum
8 Ja
9 Kawahi
10 AD

Leonard needs to be removed maybe even AD

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Eyetest tells me LeBron is still as athletic as ever, a tad slower than his peak yet somehow still faster than most guards WITH the basketball in transition.

Eyetest tells me LeBron scores as easily as any player in this league, because he's too big for guards and too fast for bigs.

Eyetest tells me Bron is still the best passer in the game, making passes at angles no one in the league is capable or has shown to be capable of.

Eyetest shows me Bron can dunk on anyone in the league in year 20.

Then I look at the numbers and I see that I didn't even realize he dropped 30 in this particular game because he was on cruise control the entire game. Went the entire 2nd and 3rd quarters facilitating, and still somehow came out with 30 points 9 boards. One of the biggest criticisms of LeBron (that even I make sometimes) is that he drops 30 but clearly could have done way more had he attacked more often.

What fukking player drops 30 and people expect MORE from? Only one: LeBron Raymone James.

That's all the proof you need that LeBron is still the best in the league.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

In no particular order:

Giannis
Steph
Jokic.

They're solidified, and are pretty much interchangeable; all three have stronger arguments for being ranked at the top than their competition.

4. Luka
5. KD
6. Tatum
7. Embiid
8. Bron
9. Ja
10. Kawhi (he would be ranked higher had he not missed an entire season).

Eyetest tells me LeBron is still as athletic as ever, a tad slower than his peak yet somehow still faster than most guards WITH the basketball in transition.

Eyetest tells me LeBron scores as easily as any player in this league, because he's too big for guards and too fast for bigs.

Eyetest tells me Bron is still the best passer in the game, making passes at angles no one in the league is capable or has shown to be capable of.

Eyetest shows me Bron can dunk on anyone in the league in year 20.

Then I look at the numbers and I see that I didn't even realize he dropped 30 in this particular game because he was on cruise control the entire game. Went the entire 2nd and 3rd quarters facilitating, and still somehow came out with 30 points 9 boards. One of the biggest criticisms of LeBron (that even I make sometimes) is that he drops 30 but clearly could have done way more had he attacked more often.

What fukking player drops 30 and people expect MORE from? Only one: LeBron Raymone James.

That's all the proof you need that LeBron is still the best in the league.

Now look at what @Th3Birdman is trying to argue:

Wait till you hear that @Gil Scott-Heroin didn't think Bron was a top 10 player in the NBA anymore

I'm talking about this sped Gil.

Nikka was tagging me in all kinda posts last year saying Bron wasn't top 10

Lying ass muh'fukka.

Bron stans, y'all.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

@Osmosis tell your mans @Th3Bronstan to stop hiding from this smoke.

 

[Th3Birdman]

LeBron casually led the league in scoring at 37, while still giving you his career average in rebounds and assists.

LeBron is still the best all around and most versatile player in the NBA

No one combines the size, strength, speed, vision, scoring ability and consistency that man gives you on a night in, night out basis.

He's still top 2 or 3 in the NBA, period.

Let's look at all the guys you people try to put over him:

Spoiler: Curry vs Bron

LeBron is legitimately a better all around player than Steph. I don't need to pull out their numbers for this, but Steph only played 8 more games than LeBron and got 5 less points on about the same attempts, and the same amount of assists, even though Steph is a point guard. Steph obviously is the better FT shooter, and only made 1.6 more threes per game (while taking three more attempts per game) and that's basically his claim to fame. LeBron just does more things offensively and defensively, including the ability to guard 1-4 effectively. If Steph has a bad shooting night, he is effectively useless. LeBron is still grabbing rebounds and dropping dimes, and doesn't get hidden on defense

Spoiler: Giannis vs Bron

The only metric Giannis beats LeBron is total rebounds per game (11.6 to 8.2), which he should, because he's a seven footer and not a perimeter player, even though he wants to be and spends a significant amount of time out there. LeBron beats him in points, assists, free throws, steals and has a similar number of blocks (1.1 to 1.4). You really cannot make a case for Giannis being better than LeBron offensively, and you have to turn to the defensive side, which I would give the nod to Giannis. At its absolute worst, this is a barely even matchup.

Spoiler: Kawhi vs Bron

Spoiler: Luka vs Bron

This is an offensive contest. Luka has Bron beat in assists and rebounds, and LeBron beats him in scoring and scoring on significantly better efficiency, on every area of the court. They shot and made about the same number of threes. Bron shot a higher percentage from the line, had less turnovers, more steals and more blocks. There isn't a world were Luka loses in this many stats and he's better than Bron.

Spoiler: Morant vs Bron

I saw Morant mentioned earlier and I was completely puzzled. LeBron beats Morant in literally every single statistical area that we measure, including defensive win shares. You literally cannot back up the claim that Morant is better than LeBron in any area of basketball, and Bron did this in his 19th season.

Spoiler: Tatum vs Bron

Another puzzling selection. LeBron beat him in every single statistical measure except free throw shooting. Defensively, I think Tatum is better than LeBron, but LeBron has been coasting for a minute, so it's hard to compare.

Spoiler: Durant vs Bron

Yet another player LeBron is statistically better than in every single stat, outside of free throw shooting and 3 point shooting percentage (even though LeBron made MORE threes than Durant last year. LeBron's percentage is lower because Durant took 3 less attempts per game). Durant played one less game than LeBron last year, so I'm not even sure where people are getting this from.

Spoiler: Embiid vs Bron

This is a wash, and I can understand people going either way. They are essentially dead even from a statistical point of view (Joel wins in scoring*, rebounds and FTs, LeBron wins in assists, FGs, steals and 3s). I reluctantly give Embiid the defensive nod, but when you're probably the biggest player in the NBA, and you guard nobodies for the majority of the season, it's not really a fair comparison. Embiid dominates a weak position, being a true Center in a game full of 230lb SFs and PFs playing "Center".

LeBron plays the most competitive position in the league, and even then, he's guarding multiple positions, which Embiid does not do. LeBron's defensive numbers took a hit because of Vogel playing him out of position against guys like KAT, and the Lakers being a terrible defensive rotation team. It's not a fair comparison.

*Also, Embiid's scoring win was inflated by LeBron not playing the last couple of games. That could be considered a wash too.

Spoiler: Jokic vs Bron

This is the player I would say comes the closest to supplanting LeBron as the best player in the NBA (numbers-wise). He destroys LeBron on the boards, shoots a better percentage than LeBron overall and from the line, and beats his assist numbers. LeBron is the better pure scorer and shooter. As all around players, they are incredibly close, and anyone arguing for Nikola over Father Bron would get zero argument for me.

The top three players in the game are currently

Spoiler: Top 10 NBA Players

1. Jokic
2. LeBron
3. Embiid

Steph, KD, Tatum, Luka, Kawhi and Giannis get in where they fit in. I would rank them like this, but I wouldn't really care how you ordered these guys:

4. Giannis
5. KD
6. Luka
7. Steph
8. Tatum
9. Kawhi

10. Morant/Butler/Young/AD?

If AD remains healthy this season, he'll be a top 5 player. Who he kicks out of the top 10, I don't know

First, they hate you...

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

First, they hate you...

Coward ass nxgga running around here making up lies. Who raised you?