I disagree. He's my favorite prospect. I see him like I saw Giannis and KP. Where they aren't that good entering the draft but in three years, are some of the best players in the NBA.
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O.iatlhawksfan
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What do you like from him offensively?
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Westbrook with the AND-1 move 
His shooting form, has mobility, his in space explosiveness, his length and actually using it on offense. Most players with his length don't use it or they can't move well at all, he's fluid, he finishes well on dunks, not many missed dunks, his offensive mindset, he shows roll potential, takes up a lot of space with movement which is excellent on offense as well, his ability to do freakish shyt. Usually when raw players can do shyt no one else can do like KP, Giannis, etc. It usually means that it will be extremely hard to stop them when they are polished. This is critical for projecting offensive value. This is why Giannis was looking like a 14 PPG max scoring potential at 18 and at 23 is averaging 25+. You can't stop that. In the NBA, anomalies rule. Offensive rebounds, he can do a bit of everything. Shoot, pass, post up, face up, etc. He doesn't do any of it very well right now but his potential to be very good with his tools is there.
I have my doubts on defense more than offense. Especially for post defense. He has skinny legs like Deke. He will likely never be a great post defender. His team defense has a lot of growing to do. His PnR defense for a big is his best defensive trait right now. His shot blocking and length should translate but I see him flaws. He has plus potential defensively but I think his offense will be his calling card in the NBA. I don't think he will be as good defensively as Gobert.
I like him more as a prospect for the Hawks than Ayton. I still see some severe flaws in Ayton. Flaws I don't think he will ever overcome. That said, if I was most NBA teams, Ayton>>>>
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Doncic and porter jr are the 2 guys ive settled on.
If we go big, he has to be a shooter to compliment collins. None of the guys at the top show that.
If we go big, he has to be a shooter to compliment collins. None of the guys at the top show that.
I really don't like Collins like that moving forward. The Shawn Kemp styled PF's really don't work in today's NBA. I wouldn't mind him as a 6th man until he develops a jumper or the center develops a jumper. I wouldn't mind him with Bagley III. He's the closest of the bigs to developing a jumper.
O.iatlhawksfan
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Interesting, I only watched a couple of his games but he seemed like he could be a anchor on defense but limited on offensE. Ayton looked like the opposite
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Dennis gotta go man. No way he can be apart of this team in the future if they have championship aspirations. He's my favorite current Hawk but its time to send him to the crossroads.
nikka just had a bad turnover, and allowed a 3 on the other end because of his horrible defense. Bud just called a time out I hope he pulls his ass out of the game.
nikka just had a bad turnover, and allowed a 3 on the other end because of his horrible defense. Bud just called a time out I hope he pulls his ass out of the game.
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I had Bagley ahead of doncic for a while but his defense has been such a let down. For a guy with a high motor I expect better on that side of the ball.
I just want a tall wing that gets buckets. Doncic capable of being a secondary ballhandler puts him at the top of my list.
That being said, if we went with a big, going after hezonja in free agency would be a decent consolation prize if we miss out on doncic.
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These nikkas need to stop scoring 
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Prince turning into a big-time player
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TP trying to be captain save a hoe again by going off trying to get the W
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Westbrook trying his hardest to get that triple double 
He could anchor a defense if all you are referencing a shot blocking and rebounding like a DeAndre type but if you looking for a Horford/Duncan/KG/Deke type of anchor. Naw, I don't think he has that for now. I think he can develop into it but I think his defensive value is in space for now. His post defense needs a lot of work. His rim protection is excellent due to his length but his defensive instincts have to improve. I would like him to play D the way Larry Sanders plays it where he's such of paint protector as well as a rim protector. Paint protector is far more valuable to me than rim protection. Gobert does both. That's why he's the best defensive big in the NBA and the most impactful defender in the NBA.
Ayton is underrated on defense. His post defense is the best I've seen out of all of these prospects and it's not close. Also, he's really good on team defense and switches for this stage of his career. His PnR defense needs improvement, especially mentally more than physically. His rim protection and paint protection is very weak. Okafor weak and for his measurables, it really doesn't make any sense. People say it's to avoid foul trouble and that could be possible but if he's a fouling machine risk if he protects the paint, he's not a very effective paint protector in general. That's a terrible sign, especially in the modern NBA where rim protection is a MUST. Dwight proved last year that even without paint protection, rim protection helps a defense. Offensively, Ayton has some of the same issues I saw in Cousins but he has a much better feel for the game and a better shooting touch. Ayton is a top 10 center right now in the NBA. He's that talented and his size will be very impressive and will be mammoth in the future. So he's a no brainer.
Hezonja is high on my list as a backup. Not so much as a starter. He has a lot of improvement that I still would like to see to move him into the starting five. I think we need a big. Not one big on this roster is a player I would build around, including Collins.
I think Bagley is going to be a better defender in the NBA than people think. Like Tatum, Coach K system don't lend itself to showing you the abilities of our defenders.
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