From 2015-2019 black men rank second in bachelors degrees going from 19% to 23.7%

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That’s what’s up :salute:

and we need to promote to those that may not want to go the college route, to go into trades. That’s a huge part of the reason why “uneducated” cacs or cacs without a degree make so much more that is on that same level.

you’re average big city tradie is making close to or more than 6 figures so just food for thought
 

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Look. I hate to be that guy. But this stat, as good as it is, belongs to the 90s/early 2000s. The stat that we should be looking at is how many black people are creating businesses and hiring black people. And in what industries. Because if all these black folk are getting degrees only to make other people money, then at some point, one of us is gonna look up and say, "what's the point?".

Thats good breh. But lets keep it buck. Most small businesses in America employ 5 or less employees. And small businesses make up 60% of employers in america. Second there are around 2.3 million black businesses in America.

Let me break it down a little more. Out of all the black folks I have known that had business whether slightly medium size or very small. Most got they feet wet working for someone else...learning the ropes then leaving and applying it themselves.

Second working for someone else does not mean you don't own a business or can't financially fund a business. I know brothas and sistas that are professionals who own used car dealerships, real estate management companies, day cares, barber shops and cleaning companies. That employ black folks and other folks.

You might say why don't they quit their 9 to 5 jobs. Well it could be a mulitude of reasons. One being cause they get insurance from their 9 to 5. So why quit when you have affordable insurance for your wife and kids. There have been folks that owned businesses but lost everything because they got cancer or another disease and had no affordable insurance (know an older brother that had this happen to him). So it was either pay to run your company or get treatment and live.

Then you got kats who make crazy money at their 9 to 5 and don't want to end that revenue stream because is easy money. My partner that owns the real estate company is a director making 300k. Why would he quit his job. His wife runs the real estate company and his income is used to keep the company afloat during hard economical times in real estate.

Or the sista I know who been at her job for 35 years. She has a pension that will pay out 80% of her salary. She owns a cleaning company that she runs with her daughters. So should she quit her job? Why? her pension is based on the last 2 years of her working. She wants to work till 65 and she is 63 now. The more she makes the last 2 years the more her pension pay out is. So if she makes 100k at 64 and 65 thats means her pension payout is 80k a year. Plus she is covered by medicare at 65. If she quits now she has no affordable insurance to cover herself until 65.

So to wrap this up. Working for someone does not mean you can't own a business. Working for someone does not mean you will never own a business and working for someone doesn't mean it is a bad strategy and that you are lazy.
 
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Also this is not a new stat. Its just a stat counted correctly. At one time they did not even count brothas who were 25 or older who were in school, graduating school or in graduate school.

Thats why you got the funky BS statistic in which more black men in jail than in college.

Thats because they were only counting black men in 4 year colleges between the ages 18 and 24. While counting all the black males in jail from ages 14 all the way up to 80 plus years old. They also weren't counting black men in juco or in trade schools.
 
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That’s what’s up :salute:

and we need to promote to those that may not want to go the college route, to go into trades. That’s a huge part of the reason why “uneducated” cacs or cacs without a degree make so much more that is on that same level.

you’re average big city tradie is making close to or more than 6 figures so just food for thought

Yep all of this. I have worked in aerospace and these mechanics make 100k without even blinking. Kats be in their early 20s clocking 100k.
 

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Also this is not a new stat. Its just a stat counted correctly. At one time they did not even count brothas who were 25 or older who were in school, graduating school or in graduate school.

Thats why you got the funky BS statistic in which more black men in jail than in college.

Thats because they were only counting black men in 4 year colleges between the ages 18 and 24. While counting all the black males in jail from ages 14 all the way up to 80 plus years old.
They also weren't counting black men in juco or in trade schools.


That was indeed one of the slickest talking points in a while.
(they also neglected things like men receiving training in the military, policy academy, etc.)

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Thats good breh. But lets keep it buck. Most small businesses in America employ 5 or less employees. And small businesses make up 60% of employees in america. Second there are around 2.3 million black businesses in America.

Let me break it down a little more. Out of all the black folks I have known that had business whether slightly medium size or very small. Most got they feet wet working for someone else...learning the ropes then leaving and applying it themselves.

Second working for someone else does not mean you don't own a business or can't financially fund a business. I know brothas and sistas that are professionals who own used car dealerships, real estate management companies, day cares, barber shops and cleaning companies. That employ black folks and other folks.

That's great, but the majority of black people are hired by white people. The majority of white people are hired by white people. When the recession hits, black unemployment tends to be higher than white unemployment. That's part of the reason why. Also, the majority of black workers only have the 1 job. Not a job and a side business. If you have a business, then you fall under the category of "black person with a business." Whether it's your side or your main.

Also, remember I said "own a business and hire other black people". Why can't those scenarios you talk about happen with a black person working for another black person. A black person learning the trade from a black business then starting a business on their own. Everything you had in your post doesn't really address the point I'm making which is our concentration needs to be focused ahead. Which is creating, owning, and running black businesses of all sizes. And those businesses hiring black graduates and experts for comparable pay and benefits.

Going to college and getting a good job is a stat of civil rights era importance. Those who know that history know why. But now we've spent 50 years going to college. Our economic and financial well-being and futures are tied to employment and opportunity which for the most part depends on other people. At best, this is a stagnant position to be in. There's no forward growth in that. Only lateral. Our political influence is waning at a rate faster than our economic influence is rising. In 30 years, this will put us in a compromising position in which won't be able to not only "sit at the table" but also make it more difficult to get anything prepared.

We need to move with the times and not look to anecdotes to excuse or dismiss a situation which is happening in front of us. Saying what the average ordinary person is making or doing doesn't hold as much weight because our situation is by every metric, extraordinary. So the solutions we devise can't be seated on what everyone else is doing simply because everyone else isn't us. We have a situation in which we meet the wrong metrics or are very much below the others we want to be in. How to get there takes far more effort than it would for other groups. What they feel are goals for them most likely won't be enough for us. Due to time and resources. We all know the example of the black family who has a house, car, and both parents have a degree. And a white family with the same. But we know the white family has far more in wealth and security than the black family. It's due to time and resources.

In closing, leave the past in the past and move toward the future. If a few people are doing the right thing, then great. Now, how do we get the majority to do that as well.
 

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Look. I hate to be that guy. But this stat, as good as it is, belongs to the 90s/early 2000s. The stat that we should be looking at is how many black people are creating businesses and hiring black people. And in what industries. Because if all these black folk are getting degrees only to make other people money, then at some point, one of us is gonna look up and say, "what's the point?".
:francis: I don't agree. we need to look at both. People buy into the white hype about being self made and start trying to hit home runs to catch up when they have been stacking singles forever.
A white dude who starts a business probably did it on the back of like 5 of his predecessors who were simple salarymen and left one house and one retirement account to the next generation.
We just need to focus on incomes period.
Look at the Asian stats in here, they come here, grind out a business and tell their kids to GTFO and get a job at google.
 

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:francis: I don't agree. we need to look at both. People buy into the white hype about being self made and start trying to hit home runs to catch up when they have been stacking singles forever.
A white dude who starts a business probably did it on the back of like 5 of his predecessors who were simple salarymen and left one house and one retirement account to the next generation.
We just need to focus on incomes period.
Look at the Asian stats in here, they come here, grind out a business and tell their kids to GTFO and get a job at google.

2 parts, breh.
  1. Black business
  2. How many black people those businesses are hiring.
Which means you look at both, but in a different way. This isn't about being self-made but self-sufficient/supporting.

As far as Asians go, they come grind out a business, in the meanwhile putting their kids through the 36 Chambers of Shaolin when it comes to school, then tell them to GTFO and get a job at Google. That shyt ain't magical or mysterious, breh.
 

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2 parts, breh.
  1. Black business
  2. How many black people those businesses are hiring.
Which means you look at both, but in a different way. This isn't about being self-made but self-sufficient/supporting.

As far as Asians go, they come grind out a business, in the meanwhile putting their kids through the 36 Chambers of Shaolin when it comes to school, then tell them to GTFO and get a job at Google. That shyt ain't magical or mysterious, breh.
Yeah those are important, but we shouldn't be leaving bachelors' degrees in the 1999/2000s like you said in the first post. Maybe I misunderstood what you meant by "belongs to the 90s/2000s", but we should still be emphasizing black men getting their degrees, and getting those numbers up closer to #1 and #2.
 
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