Freddie Gibbs x Alchemist - Alfredo (Discussion Thread)

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As a ‘head since 1977... Alchemist might be a Top 5 Producer Thats ever been in my ears.
His biggest criticism has come from people saying he hasn’t produced a classic album.

This might be the one. If this doesn’t solidify top 5 status I’m not sure what else he can do.
Yo, I never even bothered to listen to dawg before that feature. Somebody put me onto to his shyt.
Omg man. Listen to Plugs I Met and Tana Talk 3 as soon as possible
 

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WSG is the same for me. Both are people you have to listen to multiple times in order to fully digest it compared to someone like Benny who can capture your ears upon first listen.

I agree/feel the same on WSG.

Gibbs is a midwest cat like myself, maybe that's why I cant rock with you on that one:patrice: but I understand what you mean.
 

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His biggest criticism has come from people saying he hasn’t produced a classic album.

This might be the one. If this doesn’t solidify top 5 status I’m not sure what else he can do.

Omg man. Listen to Plugs I Met and Tana Talk 3 as soon as possible

Yeah I think that's a bit of a reach, Alch has been in game so long and produced so many classic tracks for a plethora of emcees top 5 should not be a question. I can understand maybe for goat talk or something like that, but still the guy qualifies as a sensei in regards to this beats shyt.
 
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Beats took some time to grow, and are trending in the right direction. More and more enjoyable with each listen. Was expecting something different coming into it. Al’s production is the most cohesive it has ever been on a single project. That’s not to say it’s monolithic, but the beats sound like they belong together. The sequencing is seamless.

On first listen, the only thing that stuck out to me was the rapping. Freddie and all guests annihilate. Bar for bar, flow for flow, the best rap shyt I’ve heard in the longest time. This is a fukking rap album. No one was hoping that the beat would save or carry the song. No one waited for Al to cook up the best beat he’s ever made, and then skate by on a so-so verse. Not a bad verse or hook on this fukker. On the first couple listens, I made the mistake of thinking Al phoned it in for the first time in a very long time, with some relatively basic beats that weren’t experimental or ambitious. I was sorely mistaken.

This morning, I’m picking up all of the work Al put into these beats. This is not to be held in contrast of Covert Coup. Covert Coup was Al’s most ambitious tape in terms of creating a constellation of single tracks, each of which twisted and warped new forms of experimentation that was unfamiliar in the territory of rap music. Alfredo, like I said before, is a cohesive, perfectly sequenced and paced work of art. This isn’t a series of paintings and statues at the museum like he had strung together on Covert Coup. On Alfredo, Al built a physical museum. He built a museum made of marble, ivory, gold, and pearl to house artwork, and the artwork is the rap. Covert Coup beats felt more like artwork from Al’s corner, and the raps were an interpretation of the paintings.

It’s always hard not to assess a project coming from Al against Covert Coup, because to date, it has remained his best project. After this piece, though, collectively, Alfredo takes the throne, no question. It has more substance and polish than Covert Coup. By no means am I putting Covert Coup in the trash, it still gets all of the love and memories, still has a spot in my top albums. Without the bars put in on this project, it would have felt a little slow, odd, and not on brand for Alchemist beats. You put both the raps and the beats together, and this project has some serious longevity. No beat was left on the stove too long, he didn’t try to outdo the raps, but the beats perfectly complement the raps, and the transitions/sequencing make the project bulletproof. Can’t find any faults.
 
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I have been very impressed with Alchemist's past 3 projects. His production and sequencing has been top notch.
China, Lulu, and Alfredo?

Yeah it’s his best 3 project run imo. Offering a slightly different sound and style for each of the 3 emcees. When he was dropping album after album from 2012-2014 a lot of the beats sounded the same. The 3 albums he's dropped this year all sound like him, but each pack sounds more tailored to each emcee (Boldy, Conway, and Gibbs). I like that.

I listened again this morning. Making this 10 tracks is just inviting Covert Coup comparisons. If someone said this was Al's best project in terms of beats and rhymes I don't think I'd be mad. The only beats I'm not in love with on 2 listens are Look at Me and All Glass. Look at Me is trip, but I think it could've benefited from Currency or Evidence; a stream of consciousness emcee guest spot. Also All Glass has the trip mix of church organs but then a tripppyyy vocal sample. It's growing on me.

Gibbs smashed the vocals. What else needs to be said? His sample based catalogue is insane (Piñata, Bandana, Alfredo, Fetti.) His trap production catalogue is insane (Freddie and BFK.) His combination sound catalogue is insane (2Wice & Shadow of a Doubt). His old school throwback catalogue is insane (Cold Day and Miseducation). Gibbs top 3 (at least) emcee on earth. Great discography already.

EDIT: @subletteafterdark good post. What Al really did here is move beyond any technical shyt. Like, I'm a production nerd and don't care how he flipped this or that on here. He just moved into make it sound immaculate territory. It sounds so good I don't care how he flipped the samples on here, and that's a rare feat.
 

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all stellar tracks. I ran that baby’s and fools joint like 5 times on the first go around. Alchemist killed it. How can they say he not in the top 10 in production or don’t have any classic albums when he fukkin LACED prodigy with return of the Mack? To me it’s Dilla, Madlib, preemo, Pete rock, alchemist and 01-2010 Kanye West. Those guys shaped my hip hop experience. Made me spend my tax return on a Mpc 2500 and start making joints. This album is fire. Short and sweet. The merch is fire too. Might cop a shirt or a hat.

Almost forgot to talk about Freddie. Been a fan. He beginning to mesh his fast rapping with substance and becoming creative. Nothing much to say he brought it with this joint
 

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I'm calling it now. Jay-Z may not do it, but he wants to do a collar project with Al. He loves Conway and has said Overdose is one of his favorite rap joints. We know he likes Lulu. People have been tweeting him saying Tea in China is a modern day, underground version of Reasonable Doubt, and he's got songs from there on his playlist for 2020. We KNOW he's gonna listen to this. He just worked with Al too for the 1st time.

I guarantee Jay is gonna wanna be trendy and hop on this wave and do something.
 
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