Freddie Gibbs related? Who took the time to read all this..

[FreedMind]

A lot of people don’t give him credit, but Wiz was really the blueprint man.
He had a vlog on YouTube mad early, was on twitter and MySpace heavy.
Black and Yellow blew up, but he came back and fed his mixtape fans with Kush and OJ then Cabin Fever...
It’s like he kept a balance between mainstream and the internet/blog crowd

I can't even front, I was one of the Curren$y stans who felt like Wiz jacked his whole style to jump start his career. Looking back now, you're 100% right, but high school me would've never given him props.

 

[FreedMind]

I'm up to the point where they released, or are about to release, Str8 Killa No Filla and there's still a shyt ton of reading left.


Im half joking when I say this -- but I hope this doesn't turn out to be a suicide note.

 

[bordeaux]

wiz was getting alot of love early on, even before kush n oj. blogs, sohh and ahh were all feeling him. out of everyone i knew he was gonna make it.

 

[FreedMind]

We were in the car, on our way to our first Miami show, when he gave that Complex interview. Y’all know the one. The writer had booked it directly with him, after we all hung out during our last NY trip. He always talked to writers directly, and we encouraged it. Whatever makes the relationship better and gets us more press, but I didn’t want to get more press this way. I heard him answering questions and laughing, and realized it was probably an interview, but had no clue who he was talking to. Right away, when I heard him say that Jew comment, I told him he was wrong, and he knew it. He didn’t mean it in the way people can take it, it’s more so the lingo from where he’s from and the time he grew up. I’m Jewish, that other guy’s Jewish. We knew he’s not Anti-Semitic, but it was an incredibly poor choice of words. It didn’t end up hurting us with fans, but it did affect some things in the industry. Him disrespecting the Shady roster, paired with that quote, are the reasons why he was banned from Shade45. I tried many times to mend that bridge, but was never successful. As much as I pleaded with him, he never wanted to extend himself and fully apologize. He was still upset about them not signing him. I hoped things might blow over eventually, but they never did. Some people there would still help us out from time to time though. The homie let us crash at his place in Brooklyn for a few nights when we needed a place to stay, so it wasn’t like we were hated. Just no more visits to the station, and no more visits to the label. I really didn’t like having issues with them. I was brought into the industry professionally by them. I learned a lot and valued all of the time that I got to spend with all of them, but I’m fully with him. He goes to war with somebody, I’m right there with him. I agreed with what he had said, about him being better than the other artists they had signed, but I also understood that it didn’t need to be said in the interview. He could’ve easily answered the question without insulting the label. I knew full well that he was wrong in that regard, but I agreed with his sentiment.

I'm guessing this is the interview?


Complex: Once you left Ball State and started focusing on rapping, you were signed to Interscope in 2005 by the same A&R, Joe "3H" Weinberger, who almost signed Kanye West to Capitol Records. Why did that end up not working out?

Freddie Gibbs: He was a "dikkriding-type" dude, so he wasn't into the project. He basically fukked me over and played with my life pretty much. He left Interscope and said he was gonna take me with him to Warner and it didn't happen. I didn't get no big advance. I got like 30 Gs. I was just in a bad situation, so after that little money ran out I had to go back to Gary. He saw the trends of rap starting to shift away from the gangsta shyt. He saw more of these fukkboys coming into the game. These "Charles Hamilton-type" nikkas making that "bubblegum-bullshyt" rap. He saw that and wanted to latch onto that, instead of latching on to what was real. He saw a dollar-sign opportunity. I ain't no racist motherfukker, but it was the Jew in him. He started fukking with Charles and saying rap was dead and he was going in a different direction, but didn't have the nuts to tell me. He was about to sign Charles to Interscope. He was trying to take him to Warner, but Interscope gave Charles a better offer. A lot of people around him thought I was dope. It was the whole "50 Cent" era, and everything was blowing up over there at Interscope. He wanted his own hard gangsta rapper. But it's like me and 50 Cent totally different. We both do street rap, but we both do it from two way totally different perspectives. [3H] was just trying to be like Eminem and Paul Rosenberg. He had a "First Look" deal through Shady and Paul Rosenberg and Eminem had the chance to sign me. I was signed to Interscope for six months, and the parameters of the deal with Shady was within six months of my Interscope deal being signed, they could either sign me or not sign me. They passed on me.

I'm gonna also guess that Weinberger is "Helmsley" in the story, and he's the one that didn't want to sign Gibbs.

Edit: just made it to "2011."

I think he said he worked with Gibbs till 2014.

This is going to take a while. Gonna take a break for now.

 

[FreedMind]

Gibbs & the author Archie Bonkers

 

[FreedMind]

On the CTE deal:

Honestly, we initially thought that Corporate was going to sign us and then ask us to help them figure out a real plan, but that did not happen. They weren’t in the best place when we signed with them. That first trip to ATL to meet all of them was an eye opener. Snow wasn’t winning the Rozay battle, and dj’s weren’t playing his records. They’d be respectful when he was in the club, but if he wasn’t there and you requested one of his songs, it didn’t happen. Straight up had dj’s say no. Saw lots of disrespect. We even had an issue in a club that almost turned violent. We were deep. 10+ GI homies in ATL, partying with Snow. Things got intense enough to where we’re all making eye contact with each other, putting down drinks, getting me behind others, checking exits. Homies always took care of me, so I never felt unsafe, but I‘m always aware. I’ve been in some strange, intense situations over the years, so I’m not too naïve at how to act. Things calmed down, but it didn’t look good for a little. We knew we weren’t in the greatest situation after that, but we hoped things would turn for the better. It just didn’t seem like Snow really had a plan.

We thought that we’re for sure going to his label, but he’s not the happiest with them at first, so it’s, “We’re going to shop you around and see what we can get.” They got nothing. We weren’t included in any of the talks, but I heard none of them went well. My guess is that Snow thought he had enough pull to just get a deal for us, but nobody was biting. Then he got back friendly with his label and he’s telling us, “Well maybe we’re going to do this with them.” It just came down to every label saying no. They didn’t want to sign us. They didn’t hear a single. It was the same story.

That time didn’t go the best, but they did put $14k in his pocket for the TM103 Tour. They did get him studio time. They did book a lot of hotels for him. That person you know also told me that Trey Songz wanted to get on Go For It, but only if he took “p*ssy” out of the hook. He said that he likes the song, but he doesn’t talk vulgar like that. He refused to change anything and it never happened. Snow didn’t have the best strategy, and he did make some mistakes, but this is the industry. It didn’t work with Corporate, but they got us to the next place we needed to be, and they gave us a lot more exposure. I remember the first time he was recognized in public from a video. We were at the DMV in line and somebody was watching on their phone, right in front of us. They turned around and did a double take. The whole point of the deal was to get us signed to a major. We had a stipulation saying that they needed to make that happen within nine months after delivery of demos, but it never did, and we’re out of the contract by July, 2012.

 

[FreedMind]

“Huh? We have a song with who?” Apparently a producer had sent them a record with P already on the hook, but he said that he could only clear the song if it’s on a major. I started to laugh because that other guy sounded so hurt and I’m happy as shyt. We got a record with Skateboard! Oh, hell yeah. I told him to send me the song and I’ll see what I can do. I also tell him to not worry about the artwork, I’ll handle that too.

I reached out to a mutual friend that was close with P and started my email with, “Ok, so this might end up being the biggest favor I’ve ever asked you.” He liked the record and said that he would send it to P and see what he says. I didn’t know what to think, but I know he doesn’t bullshyt. I checked in with him a few days later and he told me to call him. I called him on my lunch break and he said that P likes the song, but he doesn’t remember recording it. P thinks that the producer somehow found vocals of his and put it on his beat, but he doesn’t care about that, he likes the song and is fine with us using it. I told him that I wouldn’t put P’s name in the credits, but P didn’t care one way or another. I could’ve done it if I wanted to, but I wanted to keep that a secret for people who actually listen to the music. I got one of the greatest producers of all-time, and one of the biggest pop stars ever, to agree to appear on our free mixtape, with an unauthorized bootleg recording, on my lunch break. For no money. Afterwards, I remember rushing back to try to talk to a customer, so that I could make another $50 for the day, and then thinking to myself, “Holy fukk, I just secured Skateboard P for us, and I’m rushing over here to make $50 so that I can eat.” I should’ve been treated like a king forever from just this.

 

[FreedMind]

On the Doughboyz Cashout incident:

I got a confession. I’m the one who showed him the tweet from Doughboyz when they were talking greasy. I forget what it said specifically, and I’m pretty sure it was somewhat subliminal, but it was very clear to me. I showed it to him, laughing about it, but immediately regretted the decision. He tweeted something about it and the beef is on. We were on the bus when their homies did whatever they did to it, but we barely heard anything. There might have been a little tap, but nothing significant. Somebody came running onto our bus, telling us about the people outside, but that was after the damage was done, and then everybody chased them off. Strange wasn’t too happy about it, but nobody got hurt. I wasn’t acting responsibly, showing him that tweet. I don’t think it’s anything he ever really had an issue with me doing, but I was upset with myself for not knowing better. We actually rolled out through Detroit afterwards, went to their hood and partied in a strip club. I’m not sure if he knew that we’re in their hood, but he knows we’re in their city. A couple people with us had driven up from Chicago, so there’s most likely a strap somewhere, but nothing too heavy. I’ve rolled with him to the club with an AK in the trunk and this wasn’t that. We’re not there long, but we’re there long enough for everybody to be staring at us and for us to notice. I always keep my head on a swivel whenever we’re in any club, just off gp, but this is an extra heavy swivel, considering what just happened. We’re there maybe 30 minutes and he gets a call, telling him that they know we’re there and we shouldn’t be. Our safety isn’t guaranteed if we stay much longer. Vamanos we go, and it’s back to the tour bus, off to the next city. I’ve heard through mutual friends that the Doughboyz guys are actually pretty great, and it’s unfortunate we had that little static when we did, because it really was about nothing.

 

[FreedMind]

On Piñata:

Piñata was an odyssey. Way too much to include here. We worked on it for years, and nothing was ever certain except for the fact that we’re doing it. We tried possibly having a label partner, but never did. That other camp mostly handled that, and they never heard anything that made them happy enough to sign. Them having their own label gives you that freedom. That camp is smart too. Artistically, Jank is one of the greatest. It was fun to work and talk with him for that little bit. The 1960s alt cover he made for this album is brilliant and perfect. I came up with the notion that every song should be one word. I also didn’t want any of the features listed on the back cover. My initial idea was to attempt to turn the tracklisting into a poem of sorts that becomes a poster with the back cover artwork. It was my shoot for the stars idea, but I at least got my one word song titles.

The great thing about this album is that everybody wanted in on it. Asking for a feature was not difficult. Face gave us the homie discount, but he’s the only artist we paid, and we were happy to do it. Everybody else was a verse swap, or just done. There was a fight for a few of these features to stay on the album. I’ll just say that quality control was an issue. There’s a few that he really does not like, but he tolerated them for the look. Badmon was actually taken off the album because of his verse. Not that it was bad, but it didn’t match his verses. I’m pretty sure they even asked if he wanted to re-do it, but he didn’t, so he was taken off the album, and we had the first verse for our Knicks Remix already in the pocket. The early version of the album has Knicks with the two of them. I felt bad when it happened, but there was nothing I could do. Home was originally going to be on the album as well, but then it was put aside for a remix release. I was really happy G-Wiz got on the album. He put in a lot of work for free, and his verse is fire, so that was dope.

The Piñata shows are going great, but I can’t fully enjoy them. The NY show is sold out and we’re all out there for it. It’s one of the greatest shows I’ve ever seen, and something I’ve always dreamt of being a part of. Everything about the show, absolute perfection. There was even a moment where he was having a panic attack backstage, and I straight up saved him.

The backstage is a big ass square room with a bathroom / dressing room to the side, and he’s in the bathroom, getting dressed and ready. I see his head poke out the door, looking nervous and frantic. He looked at that other guy and tried to say something to him, but he was having a conversation and didn’t notice. Then he saw me, and I could see something wasn’t right. I darted across the room quick as shyt and got in the there with him, closing the door behind me to hide us from the crowd. He’s having trouble breathing, and his heart is racing. I’m holding him up with one arm, with my other hand on his chest, feeling it explode. I give him some water, and start talking him through some meditation breathing techniques that I recently learned from a friend. A technique that helped me lots, and saved him that night. It took a second, but with my help he calmed down, started breathing normally again, and everything was ok. I felt great being able to help. We took a photo with the whole crew backstage, and I was over the moon elated the whole time, one of the happiest nights of my career. Right up until the show was over.

 

[FreedMind]

This shyt is crazy and I'm a little ashamed I read it all.


It basically turned into a diary towards the end, which felt way too personal for me to be reading. Reading the history sheds a lot of light on Gibbs' rise, and I ultimately feel for this guy, but damn bro.

 

[Turbulent]

Npw i understand why people request NDAs to be signed...

 

[Earnings]

If that's all that happened with the CTE deal, this nikka really on some broad shyt holding this grudge all these years.

Dope ass find and read tho OP

 

[El Jefe]

Arch was there from day dot, so I doubt he is fabricating anythin on here

 

[Kliq_Souf]

wiz was getting alot of love early on, even before kush n oj. blogs, sohh and ahh were all feeling him. out of everyone i knew he was gonna make it.

I was on too round that time
Wiz singles kept floppin when he was on Warner and people were down on him for a moment.
Flight School helped though

 

[MisterMajesty]

Man, this story is inspiring as fukk, just watching the grind happen